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Poaching is a strange verb to use. It implies that Apple has some intrinsic right to their labor and that meta has done something unethical by making them a bet

Poaching is a strange verb to use. It implies that Apple has some intrinsic right to their labor and that meta has done something unethical by making them a better offer. That's simply not how employment works.

redwood 1y ago
True but I think they're coming out of from a different orientation. Namely that presumably working on AI as an executive at Apple should be one of the dream jobs. So the deeper point is that things are problematic enough at Apple that an executive in a dream job would consider leaving and not just leave but go to a company that's brand is fairly toxic but nevertheless is so aggressively investing in AI to pull off all kinds of brand washing
- em500 1y ago
  How is working on AI at Apple more of the dream job than working on AI at Meta? If Meta offers say 10, 20 or 30% more, why wouldn't anyone move?
  - bonestamp2 1y ago
    After a certain point, more money isn't a motivator to everyone.
    - sigmoid10 1y ago
      According to reports, Meta is offering compensation that literally amounts to generational wealth. If you know you and none of your children and grandchildren will ever have to worry about money anymore, would you care which mindless tech tycoon you work for?
      - cyanydeez 1y ago
        I mean, trading functional democracy for money is a interesting gamble.
        sigmoid10 1y ago
        It's not like that would be a surprising thing to happen in the US.
      - nickthegreek 1y ago
        I think they are also offering compute time to actually do the things they want to do. The money is nice, but not fighting or having gpu's being pulled from you can also mean alot.
  - khurs 1y ago
    Apple has a cool HQ, great physical products. Makes own chips. Money aside, Apple is way cooler.
    - cyanydeez 1y ago
      Apple fan boys will need their own senior care facilities.
endtime 1y ago
It's a standard term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_poaching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_poaching
- nickthegreek 1y ago
  Another standard term is Recruited.
- deleted 1y ago
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- xnx 1y ago
  The term poaching is common, but is a word that overemphasized the importance of the hirer. There are 3 parties involved. The worker choosing to accept a better offer. The hiring company making a better offer. The previous employer offering unsatisfactory terms. The term "poaching" suggests that the departing employee is being "stolen" or "taken" from their current employer, implying a sense of ownership over that individual. Employees are not property; they are individuals with the right to seek better opportunities and make their own career choices.
halJordan 1y ago
It is poaching. They made an agreement with Apple to work for Apple, and Meta did disrespect that by poaching them. Thats exactly how employment works. You're denying fundamental human demands for fairness and equity. Of course it's poaching
- zug_zug 1y ago
  You can't have it both-ways. Either employment is at-will or it's not. An implication that companies don't have a right to make a better offer to anyone (or that employees don't have the right to leave on a dime) is an implication that illegal marketplace collusion is going on.
- richwater 1y ago
  > They made an agreement with Apple to work for Apple, and Meta did disrespect that by poaching them Might be the biggest bootlick statement I've ever seen on this forum. Companies have 0 right to "claim" you. They'd fire you with no second thought.
- _Algernon_ 1y ago
  I could agree to this argument if they broke their employment contract's clause about notice period, but there is no evidence from TFA that that is the case (and I'd assume Apple would use whatever legal means they have to enforce a contract in such a case). >You're denying fundamental human demands for fairness and equity. Of course it's poaching I disagree. Apple could fire these people at will. Fairness is that they can quit and move to a better offer by a competitor at will.
skygazer 1y ago
I used to know corporate recruiter that really made it feel like the appropriate term. He used all sorts of social engineering to trick employees of companies to flesh out internal org charts by convincingly pretending to be people they should confide in. It was like Mr. Robot, but without the computers. And he was given marching orders like, find this department in this company, figure out who the good people are, and what makes them tick and bring them all. It could take months. It was underhanded, and very impressive. This was before linkedin probably made it so much easier.

redwood 1y ago

True but I think they're coming out of from a different orientation. Namely that presumably working on AI as an executive at Apple should be one of the dream jobs. So the deeper point is that things are problematic enough at Apple that an executive in a dream job would consider leaving and not just leave but go to a company that's brand is fairly toxic but nevertheless is so aggressively investing in AI to pull off all kinds of brand washing

em500 1y ago
How is working on AI at Apple more of the dream job than working on AI at Meta? If Meta offers say 10, 20 or 30% more, why wouldn't anyone move?
- bonestamp2 1y ago
  After a certain point, more money isn't a motivator to everyone.
  - sigmoid10 1y ago
    According to reports, Meta is offering compensation that literally amounts to generational wealth. If you know you and none of your children and grandchildren will ever have to worry about money anymore, would you care which mindless tech tycoon you work for?
    - cyanydeez 1y ago
      I mean, trading functional democracy for money is a interesting gamble.
      - sigmoid10 1y ago
        It's not like that would be a surprising thing to happen in the US.
    - nickthegreek 1y ago
      I think they are also offering compute time to actually do the things they want to do. The money is nice, but not fighting or having gpu's being pulled from you can also mean alot.
- khurs 1y ago
  Apple has a cool HQ, great physical products. Makes own chips. Money aside, Apple is way cooler.
  - cyanydeez 1y ago
    Apple fan boys will need their own senior care facilities.

endtime 1y ago

It's a standard term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_poaching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_poaching

nickthegreek 1y ago
Another standard term is Recruited.
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xnx 1y ago
The term poaching is common, but is a word that overemphasized the importance of the hirer. There are 3 parties involved. The worker choosing to accept a better offer. The hiring company making a better offer. The previous employer offering unsatisfactory terms. The term "poaching" suggests that the departing employee is being "stolen" or "taken" from their current employer, implying a sense of ownership over that individual. Employees are not property; they are individuals with the right to seek better opportunities and make their own career choices.

halJordan 1y ago

It is poaching. They made an agreement with Apple to work for Apple, and Meta did disrespect that by poaching them. Thats exactly how employment works. You're denying fundamental human demands for fairness and equity. Of course it's poaching

zug_zug 1y ago
You can't have it both-ways. Either employment is at-will or it's not. An implication that companies don't have a right to make a better offer to anyone (or that employees don't have the right to leave on a dime) is an implication that illegal marketplace collusion is going on.
richwater 1y ago
> They made an agreement with Apple to work for Apple, and Meta did disrespect that by poaching them Might be the biggest bootlick statement I've ever seen on this forum. Companies have 0 right to "claim" you. They'd fire you with no second thought.
_Algernon_ 1y ago
I could agree to this argument if they broke their employment contract's clause about notice period, but there is no evidence from TFA that that is the case (and I'd assume Apple would use whatever legal means they have to enforce a contract in such a case). >You're denying fundamental human demands for fairness and equity. Of course it's poaching I disagree. Apple could fire these people at will. Fairness is that they can quit and move to a better offer by a competitor at will.

skygazer 1y ago

I used to know corporate recruiter that really made it feel like the appropriate term. He used all sorts of social engineering to trick employees of companies to flesh out internal org charts by convincingly pretending to be people they should confide in. It was like Mr. Robot, but without the computers. And he was given marching orders like, find this department in this company, figure out who the good people are, and what makes them tick and bring them all. It could take months. It was underhanded, and very impressive. This was before linkedin probably made it so much easier.