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Safari is the last browser standing between the open web and a Chromium monoculture.

tonyedgecombe 1y ago
Yes, it may well be the cure for Apple's monopoly on this is worse than the disease.
politelemon 1y ago
Absolutely not. It is its own highly dominant monoculture, arguably worse, and an enabler of their ongoing platform abuse and holding back of web standards. It has for a long time been a dual culture, it doesn't take long to run into this when doing web dev work. Applogists love to trot this line out when trying to defend their favourite trillion dollar company, and fail to see the effects it has on a much wider ecosystem.
- spwa4 1y ago
  True of pretty much anything Apple. "For our user's security" they lock down devices entirely. No custom firmware, no custom apps, no ... and ... of course they charge for it, and when you look at how much their efforts to improve user's security cost them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/250918/apples-revenue-from-itunes-software-and-services/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/250918/apples-revenue-fr... Apple charges developers and users "for our user's security" (the App store is the vast majority of service income) about 27 billion dollars per year for it. In fact, this income is the ONLY new product Apple has made since the iPhone ...
  - robocat 1y ago
    But at least iPhones are fabulously secure. Security is a major reason I changed to an iPhone from Android (I also think Apple beats Google for privacy). I'm definitely no fanboi (actually I've disliked Apple as a company after ][). I'm really impressed with some of Apple's security features - especially the custom hardware-backed measures. I'm unsure the financial argument makes much sense. A browser is hard to make secure, and a third party browser would need access to deeper Apple security information than App developers currently get (Apple only allows their JavaScript for scripting at present). I do hope that we get a competitor browser (I remember Microsoft Internet Explorer), but I also hope that Apple manage to do it without fucking up security.
    - spwa4 1y ago
      > But at least iPhones are fabulously secure. That's the argument apple makes. And yet the biggest app store restrictions are about payment to apps (only allowed through apple, with a 30% cut, slightly reduced). Besides, I don't really see a big difference between Android and iPhones. > I'm unsure the financial argument makes much sense. That's the argument apple makes. Despite this being the only growth area in their financial reports, while everything else on their financial report is going down. > I do hope that we get a competitor browser That's the argument apple makes, while preventing competing browsers from coming onto the platform.

Yes, it may well be the cure for Apple's monopoly on this is worse than the disease.

Absolutely not. It is its own highly dominant monoculture, arguably worse, and an enabler of their ongoing platform abuse and holding back of web standards. It has for a long time been a dual culture, it doesn't take long to run into this when doing web dev work. Applogists love to trot this line out when trying to defend their favourite trillion dollar company, and fail to see the effects it has on a much wider ecosystem.

spwa4 1y ago
True of pretty much anything Apple. "For our user's security" they lock down devices entirely. No custom firmware, no custom apps, no ... and ... of course they charge for it, and when you look at how much their efforts to improve user's security cost them. https://www.statista.com/statistics/250918/apples-revenue-from-itunes-software-and-services/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/250918/apples-revenue-fr... Apple charges developers and users "for our user's security" (the App store is the vast majority of service income) about 27 billion dollars per year for it. In fact, this income is the ONLY new product Apple has made since the iPhone ...
- robocat 1y ago
  But at least iPhones are fabulously secure. Security is a major reason I changed to an iPhone from Android (I also think Apple beats Google for privacy). I'm definitely no fanboi (actually I've disliked Apple as a company after ][). I'm really impressed with some of Apple's security features - especially the custom hardware-backed measures. I'm unsure the financial argument makes much sense. A browser is hard to make secure, and a third party browser would need access to deeper Apple security information than App developers currently get (Apple only allows their JavaScript for scripting at present). I do hope that we get a competitor browser (I remember Microsoft Internet Explorer), but I also hope that Apple manage to do it without fucking up security.
  - spwa4 1y ago
    > But at least iPhones are fabulously secure. That's the argument apple makes. And yet the biggest app store restrictions are about payment to apps (only allowed through apple, with a 30% cut, slightly reduced). Besides, I don't really see a big difference between Android and iPhones. > I'm unsure the financial argument makes much sense. That's the argument apple makes. Despite this being the only growth area in their financial reports, while everything else on their financial report is going down. > I do hope that we get a competitor browser That's the argument apple makes, while preventing competing browsers from coming onto the platform.