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Part of that is because they can't trust the US, which outspends China 3x over and outspends Russia 7x over, and outspends dozens of other countries combined. T

Part of that is because they can't trust the US, which outspends China 3x over and outspends Russia 7x over, and outspends dozens of other countries combined. The US is the biggest military threat the world has ever known, and our government is acting crazy right now. Nobody should trust the US, a single country with 37% of the world's entire military budget with only 4% of the people, that is ridiculous and dangerous. The only reason for the US to continue its military spending is to enforce its will upon the world by force or going on conquests for land, neither of which is a good or righteous cause that nobody should be supporting.

hollerith 1y ago
That's a little harsh. Many countries that in actuality do not have nukes would have obtained nukes if the US hadn't made security guarantees to them. Those guarantees would not have been as persuasive (in getting countries to forgo getting nukes) if the US military wasn't as strong as it actually was. And the world is a safer place because only 9 countries have nukes. Also, before now there's never has been an 80-year-long period without a major war between European powers. If the US military had been less strong, then the major powers of Europe would have felt the need to spend more on their militaries (at first to deter the Soviets / Russia, but then also to deter each other) which would have increased the probability of a war between European powers.
- AngryData 1y ago
  If I was in a country without nukes im not sure I would consider myself safer and would likely be an advocate for my government to gain nukes if there was any threat at all of someone attacking or invading in order to prevent it, especially if the US could be a potential enemy as only nukes would be an actual deterrent from meddling or invading.
johnsmith1840 1y ago
It's not an unfair argument to say the US is a global superpower with questionable intent. But it's not hard to prefer Pax Americana to WW3. Super power gonna super power. Wether it is Romans/Arabs/British/US or maybe future China. None of them play nice and there's generally always one. I'd prefer to live in the peak power of these countries over the total chaos in between their collapse. The entire world has gotten insanely rich and healthy under US dominance I don't think wanting that to continue is an immoral desire. History will remember the US as the empire to bring about the modern era much like the british brought about industrialization and global trade.

hollerith 1y ago

That's a little harsh. Many countries that in actuality do not have nukes would have obtained nukes if the US hadn't made security guarantees to them. Those guarantees would not have been as persuasive (in getting countries to forgo getting nukes) if the US military wasn't as strong as it actually was. And the world is a safer place because only 9 countries have nukes. Also, before now there's never has been an 80-year-long period without a major war between European powers. If the US military had been less strong, then the major powers of Europe would have felt the need to spend more on their militaries (at first to deter the Soviets / Russia, but then also to deter each other) which would have increased the probability of a war between European powers.

AngryData 1y ago
If I was in a country without nukes im not sure I would consider myself safer and would likely be an advocate for my government to gain nukes if there was any threat at all of someone attacking or invading in order to prevent it, especially if the US could be a potential enemy as only nukes would be an actual deterrent from meddling or invading.

johnsmith1840 1y ago

It's not an unfair argument to say the US is a global superpower with questionable intent. But it's not hard to prefer Pax Americana to WW3. Super power gonna super power. Wether it is Romans/Arabs/British/US or maybe future China. None of them play nice and there's generally always one. I'd prefer to live in the peak power of these countries over the total chaos in between their collapse. The entire world has gotten insanely rich and healthy under US dominance I don't think wanting that to continue is an immoral desire. History will remember the US as the empire to bring about the modern era much like the british brought about industrialization and global trade.