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Anyone that’s worth anything at all in this field is “self taught”, some of them just went to school first.

teaearlgraycold 1y ago
I have a CS degree myself but most of the code I wrote/read during college wasn’t a part of any class. I treated GLSL how others treat Civilization VI. “Just one more shader” - “Oh no it’s 4am”.
- peterfirefly 1y ago
  I haven't dared even looking at any other Civilization game after the first one. I kept deleting it and it somehow found a way to sneak back when I wasn't looking through some sort of sentient magic undelete function.
p1necone 1y ago
Agreed - my CS degree exposed me to a bunch of low level 'algorithms & data structures' type stuff + a bit of assembly, prolog etc + some math stuff all of which I likely wouldn't have gone out of my way to learn on my own unless it came up in a very obvious way in a problem I was trying to solve. But like 95% of the actual large scale software engineering type work (read: actually building useful software) I learned on my own by building unnecessarily over engineered side projects, or by building stuff while working. (as an aside: "don't overengineer things" is great advice when your goal is to actually finish creating something useful, but imo if you're coding to learn then horrendously overengineering everything is super valuable to the learning process - you should totally set up a full custom CI pipeline, design your own networking protocol, write a parser for a DSL etc etc in service of your dumb little tic tac toe game or whatever you're making - you will learn things)
hgomersall 1y ago
Even a degree is self taught. The assessment is typically pretty decoupled from the content. You could say "people that have taught themselves a degree course have a better understanding than those that learnt just enough to pass the assessment".
- bfg_9k 1y ago
  Agreed. The effective difference between a degree and learning on your own comes down to structure, really. A college course gives you a decent enough structure to know that you do addition, then subtraction before you go trying to learn multiplication. I often find trying to learn things on my own I start from differential calculus in this example and try to work backwards.
  - 9rx 1y ago
    > I often find trying to learn things on my own I start from differential calculus in this example and try to work backwards. Doesn't everyone who has learned how to learn? Learning is way more efficient when you already have forward context for why you are learning something. Nebulously studying addition and subtraction without being able to see that it leads to multiplication (to stay with your example) is an absolutely horrid situation to find yourself in. In fact, I suspect that's exactly what the article is really trying to get at: Those who "learn backwards", which happens to be a trait commonly associated with self-teaching, outperform.

I have a CS degree myself but most of the code I wrote/read during college wasn’t a part of any class. I treated GLSL how others treat Civilization VI. “Just one more shader” - “Oh no it’s 4am”.

peterfirefly 1y ago
I haven't dared even looking at any other Civilization game after the first one. I kept deleting it and it somehow found a way to sneak back when I wasn't looking through some sort of sentient magic undelete function.

p1necone 1y ago

Agreed - my CS degree exposed me to a bunch of low level 'algorithms & data structures' type stuff + a bit of assembly, prolog etc + some math stuff all of which I likely wouldn't have gone out of my way to learn on my own unless it came up in a very obvious way in a problem I was trying to solve. But like 95% of the actual large scale software engineering type work (read: actually building useful software) I learned on my own by building unnecessarily over engineered side projects, or by building stuff while working. (as an aside: "don't overengineer things" is great advice when your goal is to actually finish creating something useful, but imo if you're coding to learn then horrendously overengineering everything is super valuable to the learning process - you should totally set up a full custom CI pipeline, design your own networking protocol, write a parser for a DSL etc etc in service of your dumb little tic tac toe game or whatever you're making - you will learn things)

hgomersall 1y ago

Even a degree is self taught. The assessment is typically pretty decoupled from the content. You could say "people that have taught themselves a degree course have a better understanding than those that learnt just enough to pass the assessment".

bfg_9k 1y ago
Agreed. The effective difference between a degree and learning on your own comes down to structure, really. A college course gives you a decent enough structure to know that you do addition, then subtraction before you go trying to learn multiplication. I often find trying to learn things on my own I start from differential calculus in this example and try to work backwards.
- 9rx 1y ago
  > I often find trying to learn things on my own I start from differential calculus in this example and try to work backwards. Doesn't everyone who has learned how to learn? Learning is way more efficient when you already have forward context for why you are learning something. Nebulously studying addition and subtraction without being able to see that it leads to multiplication (to stay with your example) is an absolutely horrid situation to find yourself in. In fact, I suspect that's exactly what the article is really trying to get at: Those who "learn backwards", which happens to be a trait commonly associated with self-teaching, outperform.