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> didn't realize Italy was like that Seems aligned with the idea of "perpetual copyright" Italy has been pushing: https://www.aippi.org/news/italy-cultural-her

• teitoklien 1y ago
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  • miki123211 1y ago
    Many European countries also have "election silence", basically a blanked ban on political speech, usually for a day or two before and during an election. This is supposedly done to "give people space to deliberate without undue influence." When such laws were introduced, they basically only applied to mainstream media organizations and actual political agitators; debating politics at the family table was (and still is) allowed. However, the way they're worded, they also apply to any user sharing / liking political posts on social media.
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    • bobdvb 1y ago
      In Greece the bars are closed during voting to 1) Keep people sober. 2) Avoid politicians buying people drinks for votes on the day.
  • miltonlost 1y ago
    The Daily Mail is a right-wing tabloid rag by Rupert Murdoch. That's propaganda and untrustworthy on its face
    • teitoklien 1y ago
      it is not a left or right wing thing, these events are happening. Even the US Vice President alluded to this happening. Are all UK opposition politicians right wing tabloid dummies too ? They are all clearly saying this is happening. Reform UK party that is right now slated in polls to be the next winner if elections were to happen have publicly acknowledged this is happening. Why make everything into a left vs right match ? if free speech dies here right now by people you support (people who call daily mail a tabloid “right wing” rag) when they go out of power and people you oppose win, they’ll use the same instruments to suppress people you do support. Basic freedoms are deserved by all citizens, police shouldn’t go around arresting 12,000 citizens for facebook posts or grandmas for voicing their worries not even violent posts or jibes, just criticism and concerns. While the same country has struggled across years to arrest and prosecute violent offenders targetting british orphanages and harming children. police did nothing about it despite knowing it, and continues to resist protecting children. You think everything is normal ? Not everything is a football match, the score wont reset after “the game” round is over. Once these freedoms are lost they will be far more harder to bring back. people will be even more defenseless. Nothing good comes out of making everything expendable in a left vs right match. Common citizens lose everything from it, while politicians on top from both aisles win with more power to do anything and everything they want when they rule.
      • FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago
        > Even the US Vice President alluded to this happening. Ah yes, because the couch fucker sure is known to be trustworthy. Good god, do you also believe everything you read on Facebook and see on Fox news?
        • FirmwareBurner 1y ago
          >because the couch fucker sure is known to be trustworthy Just because he's a "couch fucker", doesn't mean he's wrong in that case. Some EU countries do have genuine issues with free speech. He's right about that one. People should use critical thinking and judge WHAT is being said independent of WHO is saying it. Unfortunately people do not use critical thinking anymore to judge topics in a nonpartisan way, because of fear of being attacked/ostracized by the colective groupthink mob based solely on adherence to a political ideology.
  • n4r9 1y ago
    > uk is starting to arrest and jail or threaten to jail old grandmothers The linked article doesn't make any mention of arrest, jail, or threats thereof. I've previously posted a rebuttal about this "thousands arrested for social media" claim: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41488099 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41488099
    • teitoklien 1y ago
      ? you think police officers came in the middle of night to an old defenseless grandmother about her post showing discomfort about labour politicians as simply fun partying debates ? what did they go to her home for ? sipping champagne , taking care of the old woman and having oxford like debates ??? Please…
      • n4r9 1y ago
        I don't think they came in "the middle of the night", full stop. That's just another embellishment you've pulled out of thin air. I think if you had a strong case, you wouldn't need embellish it so.
        • teitoklien 1y ago
          > Detectives were last night accused of acting like East Germany's feared Stasi secret police for quizzing Helen Jones over her calls for the resignation of local councillors embroiled in the WhatsApp scandal exposed by The Mail on Sunday. The article says clearly “last night”, what you think happened doesn’t change what was said by the woman who explicitly stated what happened to her and had to live through it that night. (on rechecking yes i’m wrong about daytime vs nighttime indeed they visited at morning) but even with that you think its acceptable if it’s daytime for police to knock on doors due to facebook posts about not liking current ruling councillor stuck in a scandal ??? if this gets politically acceptable get ready for china like atmosphere in future around politics (without china like infrastructure or growth) forced disappearances , thoughtcrimes & thought police…
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  • Lerc 1y ago
    As a New Zealander, I was most surprised to learn we had a daily telegraph. Looks like webworm has covered them https://www.webworm.co/p/badnews https://www.webworm.co/p/badnews
    • teitoklien 1y ago
      This is extremely interesting, thanks a lot for showing it to me. Wow
      • n4r9 1y ago
        Does that change your opinion on any of this?
        • teitoklien 1y ago
          No, still doesn’t change what’s true and is reality. its unfortunate left wing bias in mainstream media has atrophied the ability for any reliable news media to exist with extensive coverage and neutral reporting. (not unique to the left, right wing actors can do just the same it’s just right now left leaning political actors control most of legacy mainstream media) Foreign actors are definitely taking advantage of that to fuel tensions as much as they can. Doesnt change reality tho. That UK has a severe free speech issue and two tier policing, one for native brits(the lower tier) and one for politicians and favoured religious vote banks.
          • n4r9 1y ago
            Even if mainstream media had a left wing bias - which is a big stretch in the UK given that it's mostly owned by Rothermere, Murdoch, Barclay and Marshall - why would that prevent reliable and neutral media from existing?
• sunaookami 1y ago
  >just the fact that you should worry about your criminal record is enough to prevent people to even voice ideas Already happens in Germany: https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/04/16/the-threat-to-free-speech-in-germany https://www.economist.com/europe/2025/04/16/the-threat-to-fr...
  • wongarsu 1y ago
    On the other hand, your criminal record matters far less in Germany than it does in the US. Most employers never ask for your record, especially in white collar jobs, and the ones that do usually only look for relevant offenses. If you are convicted for fraud that will make it harder to get a job as accountant, but an conviction for insulting an official or for drug possession years ago is unlikely to have a major impact. Obviously you shouldn't be charged for stuff like that (and there was backlash for that incident), but the are less than it might appear to the American reader. Being convicted does not turn you into the scum of society in Germany
    • mebizzle 1y ago
      Can't unmake the fact that you are convicted criminal forever though.