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Many people, including myself, object to companies violating copyright on a massive scale without any consequences whatsoever while people like this, who cannot

Many people, including myself, object to companies violating copyright on a massive scale without any consequences whatsoever while people like this, who cannot possibly have the same impact, get their lives ruined.

ronsor 1y ago
Well, I object to copyright in general, regardless of the parties involved. We should not promote regression in the name of fake "fairness."
awongh 1y ago
My main point was that if you are against AI scraping, are you also against this guy being able to post this video? Separate from the level of consequences for an AI company or this guy- for example if he was forced to simply take the video down or pay a small fine relevant to the level of piracy he was encouraging.
- snickerdoodle12 1y ago
  My personal opinion is that since the laws haven't changed and society is still harshly punishing individuals for copyright infringement all the companies that have downloaded e.g. anna's archive should be dismantled, or at the very least their executives should be jailed. Maybe the laws should be changed, maybe not, but the fact is that they haven't been. RIP Aaron Swartz.
  - awongh 1y ago
    It's not as if individuals are the only ones who bear the consequences though- huge companies sue each other all the time over copyright. I guess it's a function of the legal system at all levels that money buys you more access to justice- not sure if that's a copyright issue specifically.
    - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
      The consequences are not at all proportional. Individuals get their lives ruined, some even driven to suicide. Often they're not even profiting, at least not directly. Companies shield the executives and workers breaking the law (and profiting from it!) and barely get fined, if at all. Often they're just told to cease & desist.
gcau 1y ago
Which companies are violating copyright on a massive scale? And what impact? (a bigger, badder impact sounds implied by you)
- awongh 1y ago
  To be clear, scraping the entire internet so that ChatGPT knows what Mickey Mouse is may not be a fair use of copyright. Or to be more specific, being able to generate images of Mickey Mouse may not be legal- that is the ingestion of those images that give the model the ability to generate images of copyrighted material. I guess the courts will decide that soon-ish?
- beezlebroxxxxxx 1y ago
  One example is basically all of the major AI players have used Annas Archives/Libgen's database to unlawfully access millions of books.

ronsor 1y ago

Well, I object to copyright in general, regardless of the parties involved. We should not promote regression in the name of fake "fairness."

awongh 1y ago

My main point was that if you are against AI scraping, are you also against this guy being able to post this video? Separate from the level of consequences for an AI company or this guy- for example if he was forced to simply take the video down or pay a small fine relevant to the level of piracy he was encouraging.

snickerdoodle12 1y ago
My personal opinion is that since the laws haven't changed and society is still harshly punishing individuals for copyright infringement all the companies that have downloaded e.g. anna's archive should be dismantled, or at the very least their executives should be jailed. Maybe the laws should be changed, maybe not, but the fact is that they haven't been. RIP Aaron Swartz.
- awongh 1y ago
  It's not as if individuals are the only ones who bear the consequences though- huge companies sue each other all the time over copyright. I guess it's a function of the legal system at all levels that money buys you more access to justice- not sure if that's a copyright issue specifically.
  - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
    The consequences are not at all proportional. Individuals get their lives ruined, some even driven to suicide. Often they're not even profiting, at least not directly. Companies shield the executives and workers breaking the law (and profiting from it!) and barely get fined, if at all. Often they're just told to cease & desist.

gcau 1y ago

Which companies are violating copyright on a massive scale? And what impact? (a bigger, badder impact sounds implied by you)

awongh 1y ago
To be clear, scraping the entire internet so that ChatGPT knows what Mickey Mouse is may not be a fair use of copyright. Or to be more specific, being able to generate images of Mickey Mouse may not be legal- that is the ingestion of those images that give the model the ability to generate images of copyrighted material. I guess the courts will decide that soon-ish?
beezlebroxxxxxx 1y ago
One example is basically all of the major AI players have used Annas Archives/Libgen's database to unlawfully access millions of books.