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Welcome to the modern world. Kill someone in traffic? A few months, maybe a year. A company breaks copyright on a massive, premeditated, scale? Totally fine,

Welcome to the modern world. Kill someone in traffic? A few months, maybe a year. A company breaks copyright on a massive, premeditated, scale? Totally fine, don't worry about it. A individual imports a device that might be used for copyright infringement? Prepare to get your life ruined.

cindyllm 1y ago
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raverbashing 1y ago
But the issue here is not that it "might be used" > While emulation software is not illegal, a surprising number of these devices ship chock-full of pre-loaded ROMs—the channel showed multiple Sony and Nintendo games running on the device Honestly I feel that in the US this would have possibly been risky as well
- snickerdoodle12 1y ago
  If we still feel like individuals must be punished for such things let's start by dismantling all the bigcorps that downloaded e.g. anna's archive (openai, meta, for starters).
  - brookst 1y ago
    It would be easier to take the suggestion seriously if there was some proportionality. People aren’t being executed for copyright infringement, and presumably there should be remedies for corporate misbehavior that sponsors of destroying the company.
    - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
      Fine, jail the company for 3 years. Or at least the executives.
      - bobdvb 1y ago
        Given that the piracy charges can be fined as low as €50, it can be discussed proportionately. I totally agree that the AI companies should be accountable for their intellectual property leaching.
        snickerdoodle12 1y ago
        Anna's archive contains 52,875,045 books, 98,598,895 papers. So that's be, at the least, a 7.5B fine. But I'd argue the scope of pirating over 150 million items for commercial use warrants a harsher sentence than the minimum.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Companies aren't living things and therefore cannot be killed. "Destroying" a company is a much more morally sound outcome then someone dying. Also, we do not literally need to "destroy" a company. If we think those jobs or IP is valuable, just nationalize it. Everyone keeps their jobs, the IP lives on, and for a lot of companies they now enjoy competent leadership. When ready, the company can be resold to the private sector.
CalRobert 1y ago
In fairness society is appallingly blind to traffic violence and has been for a century thanks to campaigning by car companies to normalise killing people with cars. If you could use a car for copyright infringement it would probably be allowed
- ChoHag 1y ago
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cindyllm 1y ago

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raverbashing 1y ago

But the issue here is not that it "might be used" > While emulation software is not illegal, a surprising number of these devices ship chock-full of pre-loaded ROMs—the channel showed multiple Sony and Nintendo games running on the device Honestly I feel that in the US this would have possibly been risky as well

snickerdoodle12 1y ago
If we still feel like individuals must be punished for such things let's start by dismantling all the bigcorps that downloaded e.g. anna's archive (openai, meta, for starters).
- brookst 1y ago
  It would be easier to take the suggestion seriously if there was some proportionality. People aren’t being executed for copyright infringement, and presumably there should be remedies for corporate misbehavior that sponsors of destroying the company.
  - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
    Fine, jail the company for 3 years. Or at least the executives.
    - bobdvb 1y ago
      Given that the piracy charges can be fined as low as €50, it can be discussed proportionately. I totally agree that the AI companies should be accountable for their intellectual property leaching.
      - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
        Anna's archive contains 52,875,045 books, 98,598,895 papers. So that's be, at the least, a 7.5B fine. But I'd argue the scope of pirating over 150 million items for commercial use warrants a harsher sentence than the minimum.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Companies aren't living things and therefore cannot be killed. "Destroying" a company is a much more morally sound outcome then someone dying. Also, we do not literally need to "destroy" a company. If we think those jobs or IP is valuable, just nationalize it. Everyone keeps their jobs, the IP lives on, and for a lot of companies they now enjoy competent leadership. When ready, the company can be resold to the private sector.

CalRobert 1y ago

In fairness society is appallingly blind to traffic violence and has been for a century thanks to campaigning by car companies to normalise killing people with cars. If you could use a car for copyright infringement it would probably be allowed

ChoHag 1y ago
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