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It's astounding how much authoritarianism people are willing to tolerate in the name of maximising the economic incentives for producing entertainment media.

gchamonlive 1y ago
I don't think every regression in civil liberties is something that the society collectively accepted to tolerate. I'd say it's more often than not shoved down people's throats by lobbyists. It's just capitalism functioning as it's intended.
- HPsquared 1y ago
  "Capitalism" doesn't have a proper definition; it's one of those words that just means whatever the speaker/listener wants it to mean. Better to use more precise terms.
  - 44520297 1y ago
    All of language is tenuous overlap between speaker intent and listener interpretation. In this instance, how do you interpret the definition of capitalism for this context? Better to add meaning.
    - Arch-TK 1y ago
      In cases like these it's sufficient to substitute "capitalism" for "crony capitalism". However, the people making these statements are unlikely to ever agree that there can exist a non-crony-capitalism.
    - HPsquared 1y ago
      Money in politics. An excess of political power in the halls of commerce as opposed to the other estates of the realm.
  - gchamonlive 1y ago
    No, but we don't need it to define what's our expectations of the effects from capitalism in it's later stages of maturity. Can we agree that the function of a corporation at least is to satisfy it's investors and maximise profits? So lobbyism is just a manifestation of this function, the attempt of a corporation to communicate with society in order to influence decisions that impact their profits. Corporations are not the only types of machines that have interest in making connections to other machines in the capitalist universe. Humans are also embedded in this universe, but for other interests. Therefore it's reasonable to think that capitalism working as intended will in time start producing corporations that work against the interests of the common good.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Capitalism is to capital what monarchism is to monarch. You've used terms in the past like "autocracy", "cascading failure", "plastic", "human capital", "optical media", and "infotainment". Is that what precision looks like? Was that CD, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD-RAM, BluRay, etc, made of polyethylene or polypropylene, or maybe polyvinyl chloride?
    - HPsquared 1y ago
      Fair point, and A+ for effort.
like_any_other 1y ago
> willing Don't mistake the IP cartel's backroom lobbying for the will of the people.
- izacus 1y ago
  These topics are full of people defending it. Every single time.
kmeisthax 1y ago
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stale2002 1y ago
Here the worst part, it doesn't even maximize economic incentives! This is about media that isn't even being sold in the first place. There is no financial benefit to anyone for strictly enforcing copyright on media that isn't being profited from in the first place.

gchamonlive 1y ago

I don't think every regression in civil liberties is something that the society collectively accepted to tolerate. I'd say it's more often than not shoved down people's throats by lobbyists. It's just capitalism functioning as it's intended.

HPsquared 1y ago
"Capitalism" doesn't have a proper definition; it's one of those words that just means whatever the speaker/listener wants it to mean. Better to use more precise terms.
- 44520297 1y ago
  All of language is tenuous overlap between speaker intent and listener interpretation. In this instance, how do you interpret the definition of capitalism for this context? Better to add meaning.
  - Arch-TK 1y ago
    In cases like these it's sufficient to substitute "capitalism" for "crony capitalism". However, the people making these statements are unlikely to ever agree that there can exist a non-crony-capitalism.
  - HPsquared 1y ago
    Money in politics. An excess of political power in the halls of commerce as opposed to the other estates of the realm.
- gchamonlive 1y ago
  No, but we don't need it to define what's our expectations of the effects from capitalism in it's later stages of maturity. Can we agree that the function of a corporation at least is to satisfy it's investors and maximise profits? So lobbyism is just a manifestation of this function, the attempt of a corporation to communicate with society in order to influence decisions that impact their profits. Corporations are not the only types of machines that have interest in making connections to other machines in the capitalist universe. Humans are also embedded in this universe, but for other interests. Therefore it's reasonable to think that capitalism working as intended will in time start producing corporations that work against the interests of the common good.
- immibis 1y ago
  Capitalism is to capital what monarchism is to monarch. You've used terms in the past like "autocracy", "cascading failure", "plastic", "human capital", "optical media", and "infotainment". Is that what precision looks like? Was that CD, CD-ROM, CD-RW, DVD-RAM, BluRay, etc, made of polyethylene or polypropylene, or maybe polyvinyl chloride?
  - HPsquared 1y ago
    Fair point, and A+ for effort.

like_any_other 1y ago

> willing Don't mistake the IP cartel's backroom lobbying for the will of the people.

izacus 1y ago
These topics are full of people defending it. Every single time.

kmeisthax 1y ago

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stale2002 1y ago

Here the worst part, it doesn't even maximize economic incentives! This is about media that isn't even being sold in the first place. There is no financial benefit to anyone for strictly enforcing copyright on media that isn't being profited from in the first place.