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I agree that this is shitty, but my first question is "why are you using gmail in 2025 if you don't want all your data slurped?"

diggan 1y ago
Because I'm in the process of migrating but it's kind of low on my list of priorities.
- righthand 1y ago
  So you’re fine with your data being slurped. Migrating away doesn’t take that much effort. Redirecting some dns records and setting a forward-all rule in the old email address. What am I missing?
  - diggan 1y ago
    Hundreds of filters, tens of addresses, labels and probably other things. It's not that it's technically hard, other things are just more important.
    - righthand 1y ago
      Well I’m not sure which platform you’re migrating to but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some automation tool to help (if self hosting). For example, Fastmail has a quick guide for transferring (including the pieces you mention): https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058752414-Migrate-to-Fastmail-from-Gmail https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058752414-Mig...
      - diggan 1y ago
        Migrating to a self-hosted setup. Again, not a technical/know-how problem, it's a "problem" of time/priorities :)
        righthand 1y ago
        Yes I understand it’s an issue with time, that’s why I’m suggesting automation of some sort. Hence why I didn’t drop a link to Cyrus IMAP docs.
        antisol 1y ago
        https://github.com/layfellow/imapcopy https://github.com/layfellow/imapcopy
        diggan 1y ago
        Thanks for the recommendation, but even with automation it requires a bunch of work, probably most it will be testing and making sure it all works, so how to automate it isn't really why I'm putting it off.
  - voidUpdate 1y ago
    Changing the email address associated with all of your accounts is a nightmare. Having changed my name recently, it was easier to just make a new google account than to try and change the email on my old one
n1b0m 1y ago
What are good alternatives?
- pcardoso 1y ago
  Fastmail?
- Mashimo 1y ago
  Depends on what features you need :) I use mailbox.org because I can use my own domain and they claim to focus on privacy. And it's hosted in Germany. But I bet it's missing feature that are essential for others. Posteo and protonmail are alternatives that friends of mine use.
- bubblebeard 1y ago
  Proton
- beAbU 1y ago
  Migadu + thunderbird. Not the best, not great UX, but it's f'n email, it can be ugly.
- n1b0m 1y ago
  Thanks all for the suggestions
- antisol 1y ago
  Dovecot + postfix + spamassassin for mail. radicale for CalDAV/CardDAV (calendar and contacts). Squirrelmail for webmail used to be ok (though I haven't used it in a long time). Or there's an embarrassment of riches out there if you prefer to pay someone for a nice web-based zero-management thing. I can't really recommend one, but I was reselling a whitelabel email service with pretty reasonable capacity and featureset to a bunch of businesses for $5/month/user about 5 years ago. A couple of people I know seem to like protonmail. Some ISPs might even still provide email. Though that leads to a vendor-lock-in problem and you're better paying for something distinct from your ISP IMO. Same goes for the addresses Apple hands out "free" to their users. The main trick is to remember the old adage: "If you're not paying for it, you are the product" - If you don't want to pay for email then you might as well just stick with google.

diggan 1y ago

Because I'm in the process of migrating but it's kind of low on my list of priorities.

righthand 1y ago
So you’re fine with your data being slurped. Migrating away doesn’t take that much effort. Redirecting some dns records and setting a forward-all rule in the old email address. What am I missing?
- diggan 1y ago
  Hundreds of filters, tens of addresses, labels and probably other things. It's not that it's technically hard, other things are just more important.
  - righthand 1y ago
    Well I’m not sure which platform you’re migrating to but I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some automation tool to help (if self hosting). For example, Fastmail has a quick guide for transferring (including the pieces you mention): https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058752414-Migrate-to-Fastmail-from-Gmail https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/360058752414-Mig...
    - diggan 1y ago
      Migrating to a self-hosted setup. Again, not a technical/know-how problem, it's a "problem" of time/priorities :)
      - righthand 1y ago
        Yes I understand it’s an issue with time, that’s why I’m suggesting automation of some sort. Hence why I didn’t drop a link to Cyrus IMAP docs.
        antisol 1y ago
        https://github.com/layfellow/imapcopy https://github.com/layfellow/imapcopy
        diggan 1y ago
        Thanks for the recommendation, but even with automation it requires a bunch of work, probably most it will be testing and making sure it all works, so how to automate it isn't really why I'm putting it off.
- voidUpdate 1y ago
  Changing the email address associated with all of your accounts is a nightmare. Having changed my name recently, it was easier to just make a new google account than to try and change the email on my old one

n1b0m 1y ago

What are good alternatives?

pcardoso 1y ago
Fastmail?
Mashimo 1y ago
Depends on what features you need :) I use mailbox.org because I can use my own domain and they claim to focus on privacy. And it's hosted in Germany. But I bet it's missing feature that are essential for others. Posteo and protonmail are alternatives that friends of mine use.
bubblebeard 1y ago
Proton
beAbU 1y ago
Migadu + thunderbird. Not the best, not great UX, but it's f'n email, it can be ugly.
n1b0m 1y ago
Thanks all for the suggestions
antisol 1y ago
Dovecot + postfix + spamassassin for mail. radicale for CalDAV/CardDAV (calendar and contacts). Squirrelmail for webmail used to be ok (though I haven't used it in a long time). Or there's an embarrassment of riches out there if you prefer to pay someone for a nice web-based zero-management thing. I can't really recommend one, but I was reselling a whitelabel email service with pretty reasonable capacity and featureset to a bunch of businesses for $5/month/user about 5 years ago. A couple of people I know seem to like protonmail. Some ISPs might even still provide email. Though that leads to a vendor-lock-in problem and you're better paying for something distinct from your ISP IMO. Same goes for the addresses Apple hands out "free" to their users. The main trick is to remember the old adage: "If you're not paying for it, you are the product" - If you don't want to pay for email then you might as well just stick with google.