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The obvious reasons being what? To the extent this is true, I would phrase it the other way: women are becoming less conservative, while young men are drifting

by gmac 1y ago

The obvious reasons being what? To the extent this is true, I would phrase it the other way: women are becoming less conservative, while young men are drifting towards the extreme right.

MrBuddyCasino 1y ago
Just because everyone around you (which is academia) thinks this, doesn't mean its true. Because the data says the complete opposite: men drift towards the center/right, women to the extreme left. Data by "German General Social Survey", Infratest/Dimap (an established and respected polling institute): https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A1c16473d-e0f5-49c6-b697-1afe1aa22723?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=700&dpr=2 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftc...
- gmac 1y ago
  I have plenty of right-wing economist colleagues, thanks. And these data are for Germany, while we’re commenting on a thread about the UK. I suspect this is also a hard thing to ‘prove’ with data, since it’s importantly about a shift in how people label left/centre/right. (No left-wing parties I know of are currently suggesting returning income tax rates on the rich anywhere near to historically normal levels, for example).
  - MrBuddyCasino 1y ago
    > I have plenty of right-wing economist colleagues, thanks. Can you name one? > I suspect this is also a hard thing to ‘prove’ with data, since it’s importantly about a shift in how people label left/centre/right. This is rather easy to prove with data: which type of concrete policies are they in support of (as opposed to some label, or party name or whatever, which might change its "content" over time). As a matter of fact, this being done and the trends hold.
  - poszlem 1y ago
    Here you have data that includes the UK too: https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3Adc76e319-266b-46b6-8861-f9a90959037c?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=1200&dpr=2 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftc...
    - gmac 1y ago
      It's hard to know what to make of this without a better understanding of the methodology. But the supposed leftward shift of men and women in the UK is kind of hard to square with an increasing vote share for the hard-right morons of Reform UK.
- timeon 1y ago
  > men drift towards the center/right Your graph shows that trend for man went towards center/right from 1985 to 2014 but bounced back towards center/left. Young people, for obvious reasons, are still on the left side.

by gmac 1y ago

The obvious reasons being what? To the extent this is true, I would phrase it the other way: women are becoming less conservative, while young men are drifting towards the extreme right.

MrBuddyCasino 1y ago

Just because everyone around you (which is academia) thinks this, doesn't mean its true. Because the data says the complete opposite: men drift towards the center/right, women to the extreme left. Data by "German General Social Survey", Infratest/Dimap (an established and respected polling institute): https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3A1c16473d-e0f5-49c6-b697-1afe1aa22723?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=700&dpr=2 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftc...

gmac 1y ago
I have plenty of right-wing economist colleagues, thanks. And these data are for Germany, while we’re commenting on a thread about the UK. I suspect this is also a hard thing to ‘prove’ with data, since it’s importantly about a shift in how people label left/centre/right. (No left-wing parties I know of are currently suggesting returning income tax rates on the rich anywhere near to historically normal levels, for example).
- MrBuddyCasino 1y ago
  > I have plenty of right-wing economist colleagues, thanks. Can you name one? > I suspect this is also a hard thing to ‘prove’ with data, since it’s importantly about a shift in how people label left/centre/right. This is rather easy to prove with data: which type of concrete policies are they in support of (as opposed to some label, or party name or whatever, which might change its "content" over time). As a matter of fact, this being done and the trends hold.
- poszlem 1y ago
  Here you have data that includes the UK too: https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftcms%3Adc76e319-266b-46b6-8861-f9a90959037c?source=next-article&fit=scale-down&quality=highest&width=1200&dpr=2 https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/ftc...
  - gmac 1y ago
    It's hard to know what to make of this without a better understanding of the methodology. But the supposed leftward shift of men and women in the UK is kind of hard to square with an increasing vote share for the hard-right morons of Reform UK.
timeon 1y ago
> men drift towards the center/right Your graph shows that trend for man went towards center/right from 1985 to 2014 but bounced back towards center/left. Young people, for obvious reasons, are still on the left side.