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So 16 year olds are wise enough to vote, but not fully leave education, buy alcohol, drive a car, join the army and get married without your parents consent, th

by beck5 1y ago

So 16 year olds are wise enough to vote, but not fully leave education, buy alcohol, drive a car, join the army and get married without your parents consent, the lists goes on.

burgerone 1y ago
Social media will have a greater effect on votes than ever before
- Urahandystar 1y ago
  I think were past that point with boomers, If anything this generation will be much more wise to the tricks than any that came before it.
  - giantg2 1y ago
    We can hope, but tif we look at hospitalizations for social media challenges, the demographics don't support your theory.
    - panarchy 1y ago
      Does that include people that fell into anti-vax nonsense and got hospitalized?
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      - giantg2 1y ago
        If you have numbers that measure that, it probably will. The closest thing we have is vaccination rates by age group, which shows a lower percentage of younger age groups being vaccinated for covid.
robin_reala 1y ago
There’s no one list. For all the things you mentioned, they are allowed to drive tractors or quads, get married with your parents’ consent, have kids, etc.
- d1sxeyes 1y ago
  Also you can join the army at 16 with parental consent.
  - alasdairking 1y ago
    You can become a "junior soldier", which means you go to college in Harrogate until you are 18 and actually become a soldier. https://jobs.army.mod.uk/regular-army/entry-options/soldier/ https://jobs.army.mod.uk/regular-army/entry-options/soldier/
    - d1sxeyes 1y ago
      True, but even if you’re only in Harrogate until you’re 18, you are still signed up until you’re 22, meaning you can be killed on a battlefield aged 18 because of a decision you made when you were 16. In the context of the discussion on voting, I think the “decision” part is the key point here.
- giantg2 1y ago
  Nobody actually provides permission to have kids. That could happen as soon as it's biologically possible.
- alasdairking 1y ago
  You now have to 18 to marry. The age of consent remains sixteen. So having a baby is fine, but so long as you are not married. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/legal-age-of-marriage-in-england-and-wales-rises-to-18 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/legal-age-of-marriage-in-...
  - robin_reala 1y ago
_heimdall 1y ago
At least with alcohol, there are chemical factors at play that have less to do with how wise a person is.
kubb 1y ago
Now they can vote to give themselves the ability to do that.
- Jach 1y ago
  And even vote to lower the age even further. Isn't voting fun!
gchamonlive 1y ago
Why do you think you need to have all civil liberties before being allowed to vote? Does it make you a better voter if you can leave school, drink alcohol, drive a car, join the army and get married without your parents consent? This is absurd.
- Phil_Latio 1y ago
  Somewhere one has to draw the line, or you can go down to voting power for toddlers. And the best and obvious line was to treat an adult human as a "full" citizen with all the rights and duties. So how far down in age would you go and why would you stop at that age?
  - lantry 1y ago
    Oh no not the slippery slope! I think 16 sounds good. I would not let anyone younger than 16 vote, because it's against the law.
  - _Algernon_ 1y ago
    I'd argue earliest age at which you can be drafted minus maximum term length (ie. 5 years in the UK) sounds good as a general rule. Otherwise people can get drafted by a government they didn't have a say in electing. I'd also argue that there should be no lower age limit for voting for people with taxable income. No taxation without representation.
    - Phil_Latio 1y ago
      > Otherwise people can get drafted by a government they didn't have a say in electing. This kind of thinking is not rooted in reality. When you were born, you were forced to accept the conditions you were born into. The same is true with laws. I understand that going to war is something else than going to school, but that's life. > No taxation without representation. "Representation" in the original slogans context does not really apply here (since it was about voting rights for a taxed population as a whole). But for the idea of "anyone who has to pay taxes, must also have a say!", I can only say that it comes right back to the previous point: You could just as well argue the individual income tax rate must be zero, until a person had the opportunity to vote at least once. The world doesn't work this way.

by beck5 1y ago

So 16 year olds are wise enough to vote, but not fully leave education, buy alcohol, drive a car, join the army and get married without your parents consent, the lists goes on.

burgerone 1y ago

Social media will have a greater effect on votes than ever before

Urahandystar 1y ago
I think were past that point with boomers, If anything this generation will be much more wise to the tricks than any that came before it.
- giantg2 1y ago
  We can hope, but tif we look at hospitalizations for social media challenges, the demographics don't support your theory.
  - panarchy 1y ago
    Does that include people that fell into anti-vax nonsense and got hospitalized?
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
    - giantg2 1y ago
      If you have numbers that measure that, it probably will. The closest thing we have is vaccination rates by age group, which shows a lower percentage of younger age groups being vaccinated for covid.

robin_reala 1y ago

There’s no one list. For all the things you mentioned, they are allowed to drive tractors or quads, get married with your parents’ consent, have kids, etc.

d1sxeyes 1y ago
Also you can join the army at 16 with parental consent.
- alasdairking 1y ago
  You can become a "junior soldier", which means you go to college in Harrogate until you are 18 and actually become a soldier. https://jobs.army.mod.uk/regular-army/entry-options/soldier/ https://jobs.army.mod.uk/regular-army/entry-options/soldier/
  - d1sxeyes 1y ago
    True, but even if you’re only in Harrogate until you’re 18, you are still signed up until you’re 22, meaning you can be killed on a battlefield aged 18 because of a decision you made when you were 16. In the context of the discussion on voting, I think the “decision” part is the key point here.
giantg2 1y ago
Nobody actually provides permission to have kids. That could happen as soon as it's biologically possible.
alasdairking 1y ago
You now have to 18 to marry. The age of consent remains sixteen. So having a baby is fine, but so long as you are not married. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/legal-age-of-marriage-in-england-and-wales-rises-to-18 https://www.gov.uk/government/news/legal-age-of-marriage-in-...
- robin_reala 1y ago

_heimdall 1y ago

At least with alcohol, there are chemical factors at play that have less to do with how wise a person is.

kubb 1y ago

Now they can vote to give themselves the ability to do that.

Jach 1y ago
And even vote to lower the age even further. Isn't voting fun!

gchamonlive 1y ago

Why do you think you need to have all civil liberties before being allowed to vote? Does it make you a better voter if you can leave school, drink alcohol, drive a car, join the army and get married without your parents consent? This is absurd.

Phil_Latio 1y ago
Somewhere one has to draw the line, or you can go down to voting power for toddlers. And the best and obvious line was to treat an adult human as a "full" citizen with all the rights and duties. So how far down in age would you go and why would you stop at that age?
- lantry 1y ago
  Oh no not the slippery slope! I think 16 sounds good. I would not let anyone younger than 16 vote, because it's against the law.
- _Algernon_ 1y ago
  I'd argue earliest age at which you can be drafted minus maximum term length (ie. 5 years in the UK) sounds good as a general rule. Otherwise people can get drafted by a government they didn't have a say in electing. I'd also argue that there should be no lower age limit for voting for people with taxable income. No taxation without representation.
  - Phil_Latio 1y ago
    > Otherwise people can get drafted by a government they didn't have a say in electing. This kind of thinking is not rooted in reality. When you were born, you were forced to accept the conditions you were born into. The same is true with laws. I understand that going to war is something else than going to school, but that's life. > No taxation without representation. "Representation" in the original slogans context does not really apply here (since it was about voting rights for a taxed population as a whole). But for the idea of "anyone who has to pay taxes, must also have a say!", I can only say that it comes right back to the previous point: You could just as well argue the individual income tax rate must be zero, until a person had the opportunity to vote at least once. The world doesn't work this way.