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> mass unethical treatment (assuming you do not mean the fact that animals are killed) is related to the conditions which are related to price Source? I really

> mass unethical treatment (assuming you do not mean the fact that animals are killed) is related to the conditions which are related to price Source? I really don't buy that more expensive meat producers kill their animals that much more "humanely". And even if the killing was painless, you're still killing tens of animals per year for the sole sake of a tastier meal. > health risks can be minimal depending on the amount and type of meat you eat True. > the CO2 impact again depends on the meat and conditions. Surely chicken in your backyard can be kept without CO2 impacts with some effort. I trust you raise all the animals you eat, and don't feed them with imported grains? Don't be ridiculous. > your very existence has a CO2 impact. By your own logic you have two choices … You're basically telling anyone who's self-conscious about their environmental impact to kill themselves. Great.

closewith 1y ago
> And even if the killing was painless, you're still killing tens of animals per year for the sole sake of a tastier meal. Do you believe that's inherently immoral?
- thrance 1y ago
  I believe there's a good argument to be made, yes. This video [0] by a philosophy teacher convinced me of it. Unfortunately, it's in french so most here probably won't be able to enjoy it. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaVWbdlAiCQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaVWbdlAiCQ EDIT: he gives these sources that, fortunetaly, are in english: https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-2.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-2.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-3.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-3.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-4.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-4.pdf Takes the form of a conversation between two people, like the texts of olde.
  - closewith 1y ago
    These come up every now and then, but are explicitly arguing against factory farming, not meat consumption in general. Factory farming is indeed immoral, but is a separate, but related issue to meat consumption.
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  Anthropocentrism. philosophical viewpoint arguing that human beings are the central or most significant entities in the world. This is a basic belief embedded in many Western religions and philosophies. Anthropocentrism regards humans as separate from and superior to nature and holds that human life has intrinsic value while other entities (including animals, plants, mineral resources, and so on) are resources that may justifiably be exploited for the benefit of humankind. Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/anthropocentrism https://www.britannica.com/topic/anthropocentrism
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    It's hard to argue that we're not in some way unique when we're the only animals having this debate, and every other carnivore or omnivore (and many 'herbivores,' opportunistically) have no such qualms and happily eat all the other animals they possibly can.

closewith 1y ago

> And even if the killing was painless, you're still killing tens of animals per year for the sole sake of a tastier meal. Do you believe that's inherently immoral?

thrance 1y ago
I believe there's a good argument to be made, yes. This video [0] by a philosophy teacher convinced me of it. Unfortunately, it's in french so most here probably won't be able to enjoy it. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaVWbdlAiCQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaVWbdlAiCQ EDIT: he gives these sources that, fortunetaly, are in english: https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-2.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-2.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-3.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-3.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-4.pdf https://philpapers.org/archive/HUEDOE-4.pdf Takes the form of a conversation between two people, like the texts of olde.
- closewith 1y ago
  These come up every now and then, but are explicitly arguing against factory farming, not meat consumption in general. Factory farming is indeed immoral, but is a separate, but related issue to meat consumption.
burnt-resistor 1y ago
Anthropocentrism. philosophical viewpoint arguing that human beings are the central or most significant entities in the world. This is a basic belief embedded in many Western religions and philosophies. Anthropocentrism regards humans as separate from and superior to nature and holds that human life has intrinsic value while other entities (including animals, plants, mineral resources, and so on) are resources that may justifiably be exploited for the benefit of humankind. Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/anthropocentrism https://www.britannica.com/topic/anthropocentrism
- BobaFloutist 1y ago
  It's hard to argue that we're not in some way unique when we're the only animals having this debate, and every other carnivore or omnivore (and many 'herbivores,' opportunistically) have no such qualms and happily eat all the other animals they possibly can.