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Could you link to some analysis on this?

by sorcerer-mar 1y ago

bluGill 1y ago
https://transitcosts.com/ https://transitcosts.com/
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  Transit costs are a small fraction of "construction". I agree our transit development costs are insane though this has a lot more to do with America's very strong concept of property rights (and the weaponization of other apparatus to defend property rights) than simply "red tape." I.e. it's more political than bureaucratic.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    most of that applies to all construction.
    - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
      No it doesn't. Any publicly funded construction is rife with tons of additional regulations designed to limit (but sometimes perpetuating) corrupt contracting, and transit projects in particular have very unique needs around land acquisition. Even still, the linked website doesn't really seem to say permitting is a major driver. And it certainly doesn't dwarf labor and materials.
      - bluGill 1y ago
        Data was asked for not proff that it is permitting.
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realo 1y ago
There you go. https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/03/03/why-american-costs-are-so-high-work-in-progress/ https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/03/03/why-american-c... And if one asks Claude.ai , one gets this: Bottom Line: US infrastructure costs are dramatically higher than Europe - often 10-30 times more expensive for transit projects, with subway construction in NYC costing $3.2 billion per kilometer compared to just $100 million per kilometer in cities like Madrid.
- herval 1y ago
  Kinda ironic that Europe is seen as the very definition of bureaucracy and red tape by many Americans, when this sort of data shows it's actually quite efficient
- throw7 1y ago
  Point 9 is funny (although not funny in reality)... Americans have NIH syndrome basically. I suppose only once the boomers die out will we have a chance of course correcting incuriosity. I actually remember many years ago some of the justices at the supreme court got real uppity when examples were brought up from other countries (forgive me i forget the case name).
daedrdev 1y ago
yeah NYC spent a billion a mile on a new subway line.
- sorcerer-mar 1y ago
  That's not analysis

Could you link to some analysis on this?

bluGill 1y ago

https://transitcosts.com/ https://transitcosts.com/

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
Transit costs are a small fraction of "construction". I agree our transit development costs are insane though this has a lot more to do with America's very strong concept of property rights (and the weaponization of other apparatus to defend property rights) than simply "red tape." I.e. it's more political than bureaucratic.
- bluGill 1y ago
  most of that applies to all construction.
  - sorcerer-mar 1y ago
    No it doesn't. Any publicly funded construction is rife with tons of additional regulations designed to limit (but sometimes perpetuating) corrupt contracting, and transit projects in particular have very unique needs around land acquisition. Even still, the linked website doesn't really seem to say permitting is a major driver. And it certainly doesn't dwarf labor and materials.
    - bluGill 1y ago
      Data was asked for not proff that it is permitting.
      - deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]

realo 1y ago

There you go. https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/03/03/why-american-costs-are-so-high-work-in-progress/ https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/03/03/why-american-c... And if one asks Claude.ai , one gets this: Bottom Line: US infrastructure costs are dramatically higher than Europe - often 10-30 times more expensive for transit projects, with subway construction in NYC costing $3.2 billion per kilometer compared to just $100 million per kilometer in cities like Madrid.

herval 1y ago
Kinda ironic that Europe is seen as the very definition of bureaucracy and red tape by many Americans, when this sort of data shows it's actually quite efficient
throw7 1y ago
Point 9 is funny (although not funny in reality)... Americans have NIH syndrome basically. I suppose only once the boomers die out will we have a chance of course correcting incuriosity. I actually remember many years ago some of the justices at the supreme court got real uppity when examples were brought up from other countries (forgive me i forget the case name).

daedrdev 1y ago

yeah NYC spent a billion a mile on a new subway line.

sorcerer-mar 1y ago
That's not analysis