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I was talking about pip, not venv. I don't use venv either, not because I think it's a bad idea but because I can't be bothered. Stuff does end up conflicting u

I was talking about pip, not venv. I don't use venv either, not because I think it's a bad idea but because I can't be bothered. Stuff does end up conflicting unless I use Docker (lol) or uv.

snickerdoodle12 1y ago
Well that explains why you think pip is broken
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Because I went to the official pip "getting started" docs and did exactly what it says? It's bad even in venv though, like not managing your requirements.txt or installing conflicting stuff. The web is full of questions about this, with answers that involve installing some other thing.
  - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
    pip freeze but yes, pip predates the paradigm of package managers managing your dependency file instead of you managing your dependency file and then invoking the package manager
zahlman 1y ago
If you use uv you are using virtual environments. You're merely being shielded from a few minutes worth of education about how they work (https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/09/04/python-virtual-environments/ https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/09/04/python-virtual-envi...).
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Well I also don't have to deal with the venv then, uv does it for me. Which I suspected is how it works, cause idk how else it would.
- dapperdrake 1y ago
  For some reason copying a venv directory causes problems with internal links. Fun all around.
  - EnnEmmEss 1y ago
    The problem is twofold: - all generated console scripts hardcode the path to python during creation for the shebang - some of the binaries generated by install processes can link to absolute paths in the venv Conda does quite a bit of work under the hood to reduce disk space and ran into related issues described here: https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda/en/stable/dev-guide/deep-dives/install.html#linking-the-files-in-the-environment https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda/en/stable/dev-guide/dee...
BeetleB 1y ago
As another commenter alluded: It's clear your knowledge of the topic at hand is poor. It's wise to keep silent in such cases.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  Oh yeah, pip is actually right, and everyone is using it wrong

I was talking about pip, not venv. I don't use venv either, not because I think it's a bad idea but because I can't be bothered. Stuff does end up conflicting unless I use Docker (lol) or uv.

snickerdoodle12 1y ago

Well that explains why you think pip is broken

frollogaston 1y ago
Because I went to the official pip "getting started" docs and did exactly what it says? It's bad even in venv though, like not managing your requirements.txt or installing conflicting stuff. The web is full of questions about this, with answers that involve installing some other thing.
- snickerdoodle12 1y ago
  pip freeze but yes, pip predates the paradigm of package managers managing your dependency file instead of you managing your dependency file and then invoking the package manager

zahlman 1y ago

If you use uv you are using virtual environments. You're merely being shielded from a few minutes worth of education about how they work (https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/09/04/python-virtual-environments/ https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2018/09/04/python-virtual-envi...).

frollogaston 1y ago
Well I also don't have to deal with the venv then, uv does it for me. Which I suspected is how it works, cause idk how else it would.
dapperdrake 1y ago
For some reason copying a venv directory causes problems with internal links. Fun all around.
- EnnEmmEss 1y ago
  The problem is twofold: - all generated console scripts hardcode the path to python during creation for the shebang - some of the binaries generated by install processes can link to absolute paths in the venv Conda does quite a bit of work under the hood to reduce disk space and ran into related issues described here: https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda/en/stable/dev-guide/deep-dives/install.html#linking-the-files-in-the-environment https://docs.conda.io/projects/conda/en/stable/dev-guide/dee...

BeetleB 1y ago

As another commenter alluded: It's clear your knowledge of the topic at hand is poor. It's wise to keep silent in such cases.

frollogaston 1y ago
Oh yeah, pip is actually right, and everyone is using it wrong