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Out of curiosity, why's it your last Apple product? Watching lots of Louis Rossmann has put me almost ideologically against Apple (even though they design grea

Out of curiosity, why's it your last Apple product? Watching lots of Louis Rossmann has put me almost ideologically against Apple (even though they design great hardware and smooth UX within their ecosystem), but I'm not good at forming coherent points to present to Apple loving friends. For me so far, I think it's about control over what I buy - but the rebuttal is always "you're buying a product from them, if you don't like it then tough".

pclowes 1y ago
I just don't see the value add anymore and the company appears to have lost its product vision and the design sensibilities are slipping. Apple is controlled by a geriatric board and a logistics expert and it shows. I feel I am more frequently encountering software bugs, vaporware,(dESiGnEd fOr ApPle InTelLiGeNce), and ridiculous "innovation" (genmoji). I feel the hardware advances are not very relevant to me, I don't need VR or augmented reality. I want a computer to get out of my way and solve problems for me so I can spend time in plain old reality. The hardware upgrades I DO care about are ridiculously overpriced (Ram upgrades are abusively expensive). While I prefer my computer to be a tool to get a job done and don't want the computer itself to be a hobby. I also do not want to be forced to use AI. I also dislike the rent seeking and toolbooth behavior of iMessage and the App store. Now that linux has more paved paths, things increasingly "just work" and hardware has basically caught up I don't see a good reason to support Apple's non-vision with my money.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  What Linux computer can you buy with the battery life, quietness, lack of heat and speed of a modern ARM based Mac? As far as phones - your alternative is to buy an Android phone with an operating system by an ad company that is also pushing AI just as hard. And you still end up getting most apps from the Google Play Store. By the way, iMessage supports SMS/MMS/RCS for interoperability. What else do you want?
  - pastage 1y ago
    I have stopped caring so I caved in to work policy and got an iPhone, and I really do not see the point. It is just a thing no better or worse than an Android...
  - xet7 1y ago
    > What Linux computer can you buy with the battery life, quietness, lack of heat and speed of a modern ARM based Mac? M1 Air or M2 Air, running Asahi Linux. I am posting this using my M1 Air, running Fedora Asahi. > As far as phones - your alternative is to buy an Android phone with an operating system by an ad company that is also pushing AI just as hard. I use Fairphone 4 with Ubuntu Touch.
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      And you lose the battery life advantages by putting Linux on the Mac. Why even buy a Mac? As far as the Fairphone - poor battery life, bulky, poor camera, and the IP rating of 55 for water? Well at least it runs Linux.
  - pclowes 1y ago
    I think there are a lot of offerings out there now. Maybe not to the minute with respect to battery life but Apples chip advantage is steadily evaporating. I typically don't need more than 8 hours of battery personally. Have heard good things about framework computers. As a more efficient chip or battery comes out you just upgrade that component if your use case requires it.
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      It’s never been “just the chip” for major architectural changes even within x86. It’s replacing the entire motherboard and surrounding components. What offerings are out there for speed/no fan (quiet)/and lack of heat with battery life?
      - microtonal 1y ago
- Spooky23 1y ago
  So you’re making voip calls on your thinkpad? That’s cool, but you represent a tiny slice of the market that as devices get more powerful, isn’t addressable in the low volumes needed to make you happy. When the chips needed to make a phone are priced like toys, maybe you’ll find the product for you.
SchemaLoad 1y ago
The opinion I got from Louis's content is that in a sense he is right, but also almost every brand is even worse. Apple does pretty much nothing to help 3rd party repair and sometimes actively impeeds it, but most other tech products do that while also not even having 1st party repair options. I remember when Samsung had removable batteries, I went in to a Samsung store to buy a replacement for my S5 battery and they told me they didn't sell them, only new phones. Meanwhile I can take my iPhone in to any Apple store and they will replace the battery for me. So yeah Apple does need to be forced to massively improve their practices but so does pretty much the entire tech industry aside from a few small projects that focus on being repairable.

pclowes 1y ago

I just don't see the value add anymore and the company appears to have lost its product vision and the design sensibilities are slipping. Apple is controlled by a geriatric board and a logistics expert and it shows. I feel I am more frequently encountering software bugs, vaporware,(dESiGnEd fOr ApPle InTelLiGeNce), and ridiculous "innovation" (genmoji). I feel the hardware advances are not very relevant to me, I don't need VR or augmented reality. I want a computer to get out of my way and solve problems for me so I can spend time in plain old reality. The hardware upgrades I DO care about are ridiculously overpriced (Ram upgrades are abusively expensive). While I prefer my computer to be a tool to get a job done and don't want the computer itself to be a hobby. I also do not want to be forced to use AI. I also dislike the rent seeking and toolbooth behavior of iMessage and the App store. Now that linux has more paved paths, things increasingly "just work" and hardware has basically caught up I don't see a good reason to support Apple's non-vision with my money.

scarface_74 1y ago
What Linux computer can you buy with the battery life, quietness, lack of heat and speed of a modern ARM based Mac? As far as phones - your alternative is to buy an Android phone with an operating system by an ad company that is also pushing AI just as hard. And you still end up getting most apps from the Google Play Store. By the way, iMessage supports SMS/MMS/RCS for interoperability. What else do you want?
- pastage 1y ago
  I have stopped caring so I caved in to work policy and got an iPhone, and I really do not see the point. It is just a thing no better or worse than an Android...
- xet7 1y ago
  > What Linux computer can you buy with the battery life, quietness, lack of heat and speed of a modern ARM based Mac? M1 Air or M2 Air, running Asahi Linux. I am posting this using my M1 Air, running Fedora Asahi. > As far as phones - your alternative is to buy an Android phone with an operating system by an ad company that is also pushing AI just as hard. I use Fairphone 4 with Ubuntu Touch.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    And you lose the battery life advantages by putting Linux on the Mac. Why even buy a Mac? As far as the Fairphone - poor battery life, bulky, poor camera, and the IP rating of 55 for water? Well at least it runs Linux.
- pclowes 1y ago
  I think there are a lot of offerings out there now. Maybe not to the minute with respect to battery life but Apples chip advantage is steadily evaporating. I typically don't need more than 8 hours of battery personally. Have heard good things about framework computers. As a more efficient chip or battery comes out you just upgrade that component if your use case requires it.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    It’s never been “just the chip” for major architectural changes even within x86. It’s replacing the entire motherboard and surrounding components. What offerings are out there for speed/no fan (quiet)/and lack of heat with battery life?
    - microtonal 1y ago
Spooky23 1y ago
So you’re making voip calls on your thinkpad? That’s cool, but you represent a tiny slice of the market that as devices get more powerful, isn’t addressable in the low volumes needed to make you happy. When the chips needed to make a phone are priced like toys, maybe you’ll find the product for you.

SchemaLoad 1y ago

The opinion I got from Louis's content is that in a sense he is right, but also almost every brand is even worse. Apple does pretty much nothing to help 3rd party repair and sometimes actively impeeds it, but most other tech products do that while also not even having 1st party repair options. I remember when Samsung had removable batteries, I went in to a Samsung store to buy a replacement for my S5 battery and they told me they didn't sell them, only new phones. Meanwhile I can take my iPhone in to any Apple store and they will replace the battery for me. So yeah Apple does need to be forced to massively improve their practices but so does pretty much the entire tech industry aside from a few small projects that focus on being repairable.