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Thanks, probably better than TFA. The under-employment numbers are always telling, anyone who talks about employment without mentioning this is running a scam.

Thanks, probably better than TFA. The under-employment numbers are always telling, anyone who talks about employment without mentioning this is running a scam. Sobering to see that only elementary ed and nursing are really doing ok, fields where we're always chronically short. And even while everyone's talking about demographic bombs and aging populations, nurse-adjacent med-tech is still sitting at 57.9%.

leereeves 1y ago
Even so, computer science is still among the fields with the lowest reported underemployment rate. It's essentially tied for second place, after nursing, with a much higher salary. I wonder how to reconcile those stats with the stories I hear about the CS job market.
- ndiddy 1y ago
  > I wonder how to reconcile those stats with the stories I hear about the CS job market. Most of the stories you hear about difficulties getting hired are from new grads. Anecdotally, companies have become far less willing to train juniors over the past few years, they only want to hire seniors that other companies have already trained. It would be interesting to see these per-major underemployment numbers filtered by whether someone had recently graduated.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
    > companies have become far less willing to train juniors over the past few years Might have something to do with the appalling employee retention numbers in today’s tech scene. Why bother spending six months, and five figures, training someone, only to have them hop to another company in 18 months?
    - ndiddy 1y ago
      It's easier to keep employees when you adjust their compensation to remain at the market rate.
      - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
        It’s more than just money, though. It’s just that companies are using that as their only variable, so the results are inevitable. For some reason, companies would rather pay insane salaries, than treat employees well enough to encourage them to stay.
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- egometry 1y ago
  Well, these numbers _are_ from 2023. Things seem to have shifted (especially for the new grads) in the past 2 years... (We'll know when new numbers come out of the feeling is correct?)

leereeves 1y ago

Even so, computer science is still among the fields with the lowest reported underemployment rate. It's essentially tied for second place, after nursing, with a much higher salary. I wonder how to reconcile those stats with the stories I hear about the CS job market.

ndiddy 1y ago
> I wonder how to reconcile those stats with the stories I hear about the CS job market. Most of the stories you hear about difficulties getting hired are from new grads. Anecdotally, companies have become far less willing to train juniors over the past few years, they only want to hire seniors that other companies have already trained. It would be interesting to see these per-major underemployment numbers filtered by whether someone had recently graduated.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  > companies have become far less willing to train juniors over the past few years Might have something to do with the appalling employee retention numbers in today’s tech scene. Why bother spending six months, and five figures, training someone, only to have them hop to another company in 18 months?
  - ndiddy 1y ago
    It's easier to keep employees when you adjust their compensation to remain at the market rate.
    - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
      It’s more than just money, though. It’s just that companies are using that as their only variable, so the results are inevitable. For some reason, companies would rather pay insane salaries, than treat employees well enough to encourage them to stay.
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egometry 1y ago
Well, these numbers _are_ from 2023. Things seem to have shifted (especially for the new grads) in the past 2 years... (We'll know when new numbers come out of the feeling is correct?)