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> there was a sense that corporations, and residents of the Bay Area, were moving to Oregon because it was cheaper … but still close enough to Silicon Valley.

> there was a sense that corporations, and residents of the Bay Area, were moving to Oregon because it was cheaper … but still close enough to Silicon Valley. It's a different state and a 9-10 hour drive away; in what sense is it close?

mandevil 1y ago
At least in the past, Intel owned a dozen 35-50 pax regional jets (https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Intel-Air-Shuttle-Aircraft https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Intel-Air-Shuttle-Airc...) and had regular scheduled flights back and forth between their Santa Clara, Phoenix, and Portland offices. (They now seem to be down to two- rise of Zoom?) Note that these were NOT executive jets for C-suite, these were for all employees who had meetings at other locations (at least according to people I've met since I moved to AZ a few years ago to be near my in-laws).
- orangechairs 1y ago
  ^^ Can corroborate. Intel had a fleet of airplanes for employee use commuting between sites. You did not have to be an exec or VP to fly.
  - thijson 1y ago
    I remember the airplane tail had the number 386, or 486. It was difficult to get a seat, but it was based on first come first serve, so you just had to be diligent on the booking web site. Coming out of San Jose, the plane would enter this corkscrew to gain altitude. I guess to avoid SFO airspace. I would often see high level executives on the same plane.
    - umeshunni 1y ago
      > airplane tail had the number 386, or 486 Ha, you're right: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1640095/n486hf-intel-air-shuttle-aircraft-embraer-erj-175lr-erj-170-200-lr https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1640095/n486hf-intel-air... https://www.planespotters.net/photo/355961/n386ch-intel-air-shuttle-aircraft-embraer-erj-135er https://www.planespotters.net/photo/355961/n386ch-intel-air-... There's even a 286: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1738295/n286sj-intel-air-shuttle-aircraft-embraer-erj-145xr https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1738295/n286sj-intel-air...
- nxobject 1y ago
  Same for Nike, I think to LA and back – although it might have been cut as well.
  - chneu 1y ago
    Nike still has 3(maybe 4) jets in the Hillsboro hangar. I run by there regularly. Saw one taking off yesterday.
JKCalhoun 1y ago
A lot of people "on the coast" were happy to relocate a bit further north where they still had beaches, mountains to romp around — only more affordable. Definitely not close as in "commute close". Maybe more like "close to feeling the same as the Bay Area"? (You can believe Portlanders hated Californians that moved up there. Or so I've been told.)
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1y ago
  > (You can believe Portlanders hated Californians that moved up there. Or so I've been told.) They still do, only it's not really Portlanders anymore, it's all the smaller cities that hate them. Why? A couple reasons: they came in and pay over asking price for housing, driving up prices across the board so those working for local non-conglomerates have a hard time affording housing. And then they vote contrary to how the locals do (locals, I might add, who didn't have any problem with how things were run before, even if their "betters" felt they were "backwards"). Basically, they end up burying the local culture and replacing it with California.
- nxobject 1y ago
  Another thing that would've sweetened the deal -- given certain priorities -- is how close nature is: Oregon's restrictive limits on urban area boundaries means that in 45 minutes you're out in nature, and in 1 1/2 hour you're skiing on Mt Hood. Also, no sales tax! PS – as someone who spent hundreds of hours on Glider PRO as a kid, thank you!
anon291 1y ago
It is actually cheaper to rent in Portland and fly commercial daily to SJC than it is to live in the bay area. I did this commute regularly since my family is settled in Portland. End to end it is only slightly slower than Caltrain (sfo->SJC) as well... Actually one of my more pleasant commutes. I live close to the airport and with TSA precheck I would show up 15 minutes before boarding, be in air for 90 minutes and then to the office. If I leave at 7 then I'm perfectly on time for 9AM and then fly home at around 7:30 to be back in bed around 10. Even have time for dinner and drinks after work.
- superconduct123 1y ago
  Did the employer know you didn't live there?
  - anon291 1y ago
    Yes. This was part of the deal; that I show up in the office every once in a while. They paid for my flights too, so it was actually cheaper than renting in the bay area, and certainly more convenient (my wife and kids are well settled in Portland). The flights were so cheap ($90 - $110 round trip with south west)
- kccqzy 1y ago
  > If I leave at 7 then I'm perfectly on time for 9AM I don't doubt you but most people would not find a 2-hour one-way commute pleasant.
  - alostpuppy 1y ago
    Everyday? No. But a few days a month? Absolutely. It works really well.
  - anon291 1y ago
    There's a lot of downtime in that commute. Sitting in an airport. Talking to people. Flying is fun if you're into it. Anyway, a 2 hour commute is normal in the bay area . I used to do the south bay to San Francisco Caltrain daily... Flying is better. Free drinks for one thing
tracerbulletx 1y ago
Culturally, also that is physically close in the west.

mandevil 1y ago

At least in the past, Intel owned a dozen 35-50 pax regional jets (https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Intel-Air-Shuttle-Aircraft https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Intel-Air-Shuttle-Airc...) and had regular scheduled flights back and forth between their Santa Clara, Phoenix, and Portland offices. (They now seem to be down to two- rise of Zoom?) Note that these were NOT executive jets for C-suite, these were for all employees who had meetings at other locations (at least according to people I've met since I moved to AZ a few years ago to be near my in-laws).

orangechairs 1y ago
^^ Can corroborate. Intel had a fleet of airplanes for employee use commuting between sites. You did not have to be an exec or VP to fly.
- thijson 1y ago
  I remember the airplane tail had the number 386, or 486. It was difficult to get a seat, but it was based on first come first serve, so you just had to be diligent on the booking web site. Coming out of San Jose, the plane would enter this corkscrew to gain altitude. I guess to avoid SFO airspace. I would often see high level executives on the same plane.
  - umeshunni 1y ago
    > airplane tail had the number 386, or 486 Ha, you're right: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1640095/n486hf-intel-air-shuttle-aircraft-embraer-erj-175lr-erj-170-200-lr https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1640095/n486hf-intel-air... https://www.planespotters.net/photo/355961/n386ch-intel-air-shuttle-aircraft-embraer-erj-135er https://www.planespotters.net/photo/355961/n386ch-intel-air-... There's even a 286: https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1738295/n286sj-intel-air-shuttle-aircraft-embraer-erj-145xr https://www.planespotters.net/photo/1738295/n286sj-intel-air...
nxobject 1y ago
Same for Nike, I think to LA and back – although it might have been cut as well.
- chneu 1y ago
  Nike still has 3(maybe 4) jets in the Hillsboro hangar. I run by there regularly. Saw one taking off yesterday.

JKCalhoun 1y ago

A lot of people "on the coast" were happy to relocate a bit further north where they still had beaches, mountains to romp around — only more affordable. Definitely not close as in "commute close". Maybe more like "close to feeling the same as the Bay Area"? (You can believe Portlanders hated Californians that moved up there. Or so I've been told.)

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1y ago
> (You can believe Portlanders hated Californians that moved up there. Or so I've been told.) They still do, only it's not really Portlanders anymore, it's all the smaller cities that hate them. Why? A couple reasons: they came in and pay over asking price for housing, driving up prices across the board so those working for local non-conglomerates have a hard time affording housing. And then they vote contrary to how the locals do (locals, I might add, who didn't have any problem with how things were run before, even if their "betters" felt they were "backwards"). Basically, they end up burying the local culture and replacing it with California.
nxobject 1y ago
Another thing that would've sweetened the deal -- given certain priorities -- is how close nature is: Oregon's restrictive limits on urban area boundaries means that in 45 minutes you're out in nature, and in 1 1/2 hour you're skiing on Mt Hood. Also, no sales tax! PS – as someone who spent hundreds of hours on Glider PRO as a kid, thank you!

anon291 1y ago

It is actually cheaper to rent in Portland and fly commercial daily to SJC than it is to live in the bay area. I did this commute regularly since my family is settled in Portland. End to end it is only slightly slower than Caltrain (sfo->SJC) as well... Actually one of my more pleasant commutes. I live close to the airport and with TSA precheck I would show up 15 minutes before boarding, be in air for 90 minutes and then to the office. If I leave at 7 then I'm perfectly on time for 9AM and then fly home at around 7:30 to be back in bed around 10. Even have time for dinner and drinks after work.

superconduct123 1y ago
Did the employer know you didn't live there?
- anon291 1y ago
  Yes. This was part of the deal; that I show up in the office every once in a while. They paid for my flights too, so it was actually cheaper than renting in the bay area, and certainly more convenient (my wife and kids are well settled in Portland). The flights were so cheap ($90 - $110 round trip with south west)
kccqzy 1y ago
> If I leave at 7 then I'm perfectly on time for 9AM I don't doubt you but most people would not find a 2-hour one-way commute pleasant.
- alostpuppy 1y ago
  Everyday? No. But a few days a month? Absolutely. It works really well.
- anon291 1y ago
  There's a lot of downtime in that commute. Sitting in an airport. Talking to people. Flying is fun if you're into it. Anyway, a 2 hour commute is normal in the bay area . I used to do the south bay to San Francisco Caltrain daily... Flying is better. Free drinks for one thing

tracerbulletx 1y ago

Culturally, also that is physically close in the west.