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As a reminder the Cartels are heavily involved in Mexican avocado production, and regularly commit what would be considered war crimes or crimes against humanit
by daedrdev 1y ago
As a reminder the Cartels are heavily involved in Mexican avocado production, and regularly commit what would be considered war crimes or crimes against humanity for a nation in their power struggles.
- lazide 1y agoSure, but at this point apparently so is everyone? Are you going to eat or not?
- gameman144 1y agoI don't think US American avocado farmers are committing war crimes.
- lazide 1y agoIllegal labor? And if you listen to the current administrations apparent stances on it, give it a year for the war crimes part.
- ASalazarMX 1y ago"I'm not a bad person, I just indirectly finance brutal cartels".
- gameman144 1y agoBut US-farmed avocados are the alternative to cartel-financing avocados. Am I missing something?
- cherry_tree 1y agoThat the US funds brutal cartels?
- gameman144 1y agoUS avocado farmers don't, though (unless I've got the wrong farmers in mind).
- cherry_tree 1y agoAnd I think that’s why the parent used the word “indirectly”. By supporting US industry you are indirectly supporting the US government and its actions, because those taking part in commerce in America pay taxes which support the US government. If you believe the US governments actions to be illegal or immoral then supporting US farmers would not offer a material difference to supporting Mexican farmers who themselves (it is alleged here without sources) are made to contribute towards the cartels.
- gameman144 1y agoMaybe that is what the parent meant, but that definition really dilutes the idea of responsible vs irresponsible choices to the point of meaninglessness, IMO. Donating to a food bank lowers the taxpayer burden of paying for food, and American taxes fund cartels, so you're very indirectly funding cartels when you donate to a food bank. I'm not sure that would influence any reasonable person's actions in any meaningful way, though.
- cherry_tree 1y agoBut isn’t your assertion equally indirect? “I don’t buy from Mexican farmers because they are extorted by cartels and forced to give them money which they in turn use to fund activities I don’t approve of” Vs “I don’t buy from American farmers because they are extorted by the government and forced to give them money which they in turn use to fund activities I don’t approve of”
- lazide 1y agoNotably, #2 is essentially the basis for sanctions against a specific country (Iran, Russia, etc.)
- daedrdev 1y agoI don't eat Mexican avocados, I buy the more expensive ones grown in the US because of the cartels.
- krapp 1y agoAnd as a reminder the Cartels are funded by the CIA.
- ASalazarMX 1y agoPolitical groups are the cartels, what we know as cartels are their customer service employees. The biggest proof is the consistent unwillingness of governments to stop them in any effective way, and I'm not talking about drugs only.