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Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time... Netscape 2.02 or Micro

Had you told me back in 1995, that in 30 years we'd have 4K screens and I would only be able to see 10 emails in my inbox at one time... Netscape 2.02 or Microsoft Mail client from back then looks amazing by comparison.

dotancohen 1y ago
This isn't Thunderbird. This is a Thunderbird theme. Normal Thunderbird still gets two to three dozen email subject lines on the screen. I absolutely love it, I've been using it for over 20 years through the rough and through the good. We're in a good period now, and it's been a good period for quite some time.
- nullgeo 1y ago
  Not a fork of thunderbird. It's custom CSS that renders the thunderbird "chrome".
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    Corrected, thanks.
- markasoftware 1y ago
  just tried installing it in case last time I tried it >5 years ago was during the "rough". I was impressed that it correctly inferred the IMAP and SMTP settings for my custom domain name, but after using it for ~30 seconds random old emails started appearing at the top of the email list, above my latest emails. Maybe I'll try again in another 5 years. edit: someone thinks i didn't wait for imap to finish. I did. My latest email appeared at the top. Then 30 seconds later some ancient emails popped up above it, seemingly triggered by scrolling in the email list pane.
  - pjerem 1y ago
    Or just maybe click the arrow to sort by date ?
    - dingnuts 1y ago
      lol seriously, my guy didn't even wait until imap was done. what vendetta does he have against Thunderbird
      - dotancohen 1y ago
        Probably the same vendetta they I have against Windows. Every time I try it, I find it so frustrating. So every time I try, I afford it less and less patience.
    - xnorswap 1y ago
      I'm going to be controversial and say that if sorting by date isn't the default in an email client, it's a broken client. That's beyond just breaking "Have sensible defaults", and is well into, "Your defaults are broken".
      - pjerem 1y ago
        That's the default. But it sounds like OPs mails were sorted differently for an unknown reason.
  - accoil 1y ago
    I get something like that in the initial IMAP sync. Some of my old emails will surface to the top with the current date as today. Never really bothered looking into as it only happens once, but I've been assuming that the date header on those emails were missing.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      Yes, I also had that problem and this is exactly the cause. When you resync the mailbox later it gets redated again. It is actually really stupid, because there are only TWO mandatory headers: Date and From. Getting this wrong seams to be really incompetent of the sender software.
    - markasoftware 1y ago
      i see, this likely happened to me.
ShadowBanThis03 1y ago
Did he say it was Thunderbird?
- deleted 1y ago
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SebastianKra 1y ago
I'm to young for Netscape, but do you mean this [^1] interface, that's truncating the subject and hiding the body? Also, which use-cases do you have where you need to see 20 emails at once? [^1]: https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg
- bluedino 1y ago
  Well, you can have a higher screen resolution than 640x480, resize those columns, hide the ones you don't use... Look at the Thunderbird 1 and 3 screenshots on that page http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/
- wpm 1y ago
  That interface is probably 640x480, so of course it’s truncating things. And I’m sorry, you really can’t fathom why someone who gets a ton of email would want to see more of them in their inbox at the same time?
- graphememes 1y ago
  time to make an email client...
- zelphirkalt 1y ago
  Overview, seeing threads with more than a handful of e-mails completely, selection, tagging, dragging, deleting, marking as spam, in general all kinds of bulk actions.
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ghosty141 1y ago
Thats just a setting in thunderbird. Indont see the problem with personal preference to show less emails
citrin_ru 1y ago
A couple years ago I did run one of early Thunderbird versions in a Windows7 VM and it did look amazing too. TB designers are likely trying to improve UI but most updates are just change how it looks not necessary making it look better or improving UX. Though quick filter is a relatively recent addition if I'm not mistaken and I use it a lot.
carlosjobim 1y ago
Let me tell you then that you can see 9 lines of text in the e-mail which is currently opened.
throwaway915 1y ago
Change it yourself then. It's right there in the documented CSS file. Not even overobscured SCSS! And Netscape in 1995 look good in comparison to.. Pine?

dotancohen 1y ago

This isn't Thunderbird. This is a Thunderbird theme. Normal Thunderbird still gets two to three dozen email subject lines on the screen. I absolutely love it, I've been using it for over 20 years through the rough and through the good. We're in a good period now, and it's been a good period for quite some time.

nullgeo 1y ago
Not a fork of thunderbird. It's custom CSS that renders the thunderbird "chrome".
- dotancohen 1y ago
  Corrected, thanks.
markasoftware 1y ago
just tried installing it in case last time I tried it >5 years ago was during the "rough". I was impressed that it correctly inferred the IMAP and SMTP settings for my custom domain name, but after using it for ~30 seconds random old emails started appearing at the top of the email list, above my latest emails. Maybe I'll try again in another 5 years. edit: someone thinks i didn't wait for imap to finish. I did. My latest email appeared at the top. Then 30 seconds later some ancient emails popped up above it, seemingly triggered by scrolling in the email list pane.
- pjerem 1y ago
  Or just maybe click the arrow to sort by date ?
  - dingnuts 1y ago
    lol seriously, my guy didn't even wait until imap was done. what vendetta does he have against Thunderbird
    - dotancohen 1y ago
      Probably the same vendetta they I have against Windows. Every time I try it, I find it so frustrating. So every time I try, I afford it less and less patience.
  - xnorswap 1y ago
    I'm going to be controversial and say that if sorting by date isn't the default in an email client, it's a broken client. That's beyond just breaking "Have sensible defaults", and is well into, "Your defaults are broken".
    - pjerem 1y ago
      That's the default. But it sounds like OPs mails were sorted differently for an unknown reason.
- accoil 1y ago
  I get something like that in the initial IMAP sync. Some of my old emails will surface to the top with the current date as today. Never really bothered looking into as it only happens once, but I've been assuming that the date header on those emails were missing.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    Yes, I also had that problem and this is exactly the cause. When you resync the mailbox later it gets redated again. It is actually really stupid, because there are only TWO mandatory headers: Date and From. Getting this wrong seams to be really incompetent of the sender software.
  - markasoftware 1y ago
    i see, this likely happened to me.

ShadowBanThis03 1y ago

Did he say it was Thunderbird?

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SebastianKra 1y ago

I'm to young for Netscape, but do you mean this [^1] interface, that's truncating the subject and hiding the body? Also, which use-cases do you have where you need to see 20 emails at once? [^1]: https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg https://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ns_4_email.jpg

bluedino 1y ago
Well, you can have a higher screen resolution than 640x480, resize those columns, hide the ones you don't use... Look at the Thunderbird 1 and 3 screenshots on that page http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/ http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/netscape_email/
wpm 1y ago
That interface is probably 640x480, so of course it’s truncating things. And I’m sorry, you really can’t fathom why someone who gets a ton of email would want to see more of them in their inbox at the same time?
graphememes 1y ago
time to make an email client...
zelphirkalt 1y ago
Overview, seeing threads with more than a handful of e-mails completely, selection, tagging, dragging, deleting, marking as spam, in general all kinds of bulk actions.

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ghosty141 1y ago

Thats just a setting in thunderbird. Indont see the problem with personal preference to show less emails

citrin_ru 1y ago

A couple years ago I did run one of early Thunderbird versions in a Windows7 VM and it did look amazing too. TB designers are likely trying to improve UI but most updates are just change how it looks not necessary making it look better or improving UX. Though quick filter is a relatively recent addition if I'm not mistaken and I use it a lot.

carlosjobim 1y ago

Let me tell you then that you can see 9 lines of text in the e-mail which is currently opened.

throwaway915 1y ago

Change it yourself then. It's right there in the documented CSS file. Not even overobscured SCSS! And Netscape in 1995 look good in comparison to.. Pine?