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I disagree with the concern, because obviously making Free Software easier for non-technically inclined people to use does not make the software harder for tech

I disagree with the concern, because obviously making Free Software easier for non-technically inclined people to use does not make the software harder for technically inclined people to use. This is strictly an issue for proprietary software.

HKH2 1y ago
If they take out options, then you might have to maintain a fork or write a plugin to keep them.
- Zambyte 1y ago
  And thus, nothing was lost except the superiority complex :)
  - samrus 1y ago
    And the time and effort it takes to maintian a project.
    - Zambyte 1y ago
      The vast majority of people can just benefit from the time and effort that someone felt was worth spending to scratch their own itch.
      - HKH2 1y ago
        You're drifting from your original argument. Taking away features usually does make it harder for power users.
        Zambyte 1y ago
        I don't think I am. Free Software does not suffer from the same authoritative restrictions imposed by proprietary software. If people don't like features being removed, someone will package the software without the feature removed, and everyone who cares about the missing features can just use that. For example, people in this thread have been mentioning GNOME as software that has been removing features to the detriment of technically inclined people who want those features. But MATE exists, and I don't have to maintain it. Because someone else felt was worth spending to scratch their own itch.
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palata 1y ago
Yeah, I think I agree with you after all. As long as it's open source, it's okay.
Barrin92 1y ago
> This is strictly an issue for proprietary software. it really isn't, as Google Chrome and Chromium shows there's no clear dividing line in the real world. Linux isn't developed by Bob the free software enthusiast, take a look at the code contributions to the kernel. Overall I'm also in favour of driving linux adoption because it's still a better world but the idea that this has no spill over effect on anyone else is wrong. It's a fiction to think that Linux, just like a browser is anything but a collective project with most development driven by very few organizations who also have commercial or proprietary interests.
- Zambyte 1y ago
  > Google Chrome and Chromium shows there's no clear dividing line in the real world. There are lots of Chromium forks. I don't really see how this contradicts my point.
  - Barrin92 1y ago
    there's not any genuine forks. They're all dependent on Google, see Vivaldi last year announcing they'll drop manifest v2 support. They're all pretty much cosmetic reskins. Whoever puts up the money for development makes the choices, regardless what license you slap on it. And if there was a drastic mainstream adoption of linux, whatever implications that has for development focus, it would affect everyone because nobody is going to run a sincere kernel fork. [1]https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi/112633927397201824 https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi/112633927397201824

HKH2 1y ago

If they take out options, then you might have to maintain a fork or write a plugin to keep them.

Zambyte 1y ago
And thus, nothing was lost except the superiority complex :)
- samrus 1y ago
  And the time and effort it takes to maintian a project.
  - Zambyte 1y ago
    The vast majority of people can just benefit from the time and effort that someone felt was worth spending to scratch their own itch.
    - HKH2 1y ago
      You're drifting from your original argument. Taking away features usually does make it harder for power users.
      - Zambyte 1y ago
        I don't think I am. Free Software does not suffer from the same authoritative restrictions imposed by proprietary software. If people don't like features being removed, someone will package the software without the feature removed, and everyone who cares about the missing features can just use that. For example, people in this thread have been mentioning GNOME as software that has been removing features to the detriment of technically inclined people who want those features. But MATE exists, and I don't have to maintain it. Because someone else felt was worth spending to scratch their own itch.

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palata 1y ago

Yeah, I think I agree with you after all. As long as it's open source, it's okay.

Barrin92 1y ago

> This is strictly an issue for proprietary software. it really isn't, as Google Chrome and Chromium shows there's no clear dividing line in the real world. Linux isn't developed by Bob the free software enthusiast, take a look at the code contributions to the kernel. Overall I'm also in favour of driving linux adoption because it's still a better world but the idea that this has no spill over effect on anyone else is wrong. It's a fiction to think that Linux, just like a browser is anything but a collective project with most development driven by very few organizations who also have commercial or proprietary interests.

Zambyte 1y ago
> Google Chrome and Chromium shows there's no clear dividing line in the real world. There are lots of Chromium forks. I don't really see how this contradicts my point.
- Barrin92 1y ago
  there's not any genuine forks. They're all dependent on Google, see Vivaldi last year announcing they'll drop manifest v2 support. They're all pretty much cosmetic reskins. Whoever puts up the money for development makes the choices, regardless what license you slap on it. And if there was a drastic mainstream adoption of linux, whatever implications that has for development focus, it would affect everyone because nobody is going to run a sincere kernel fork. [1]https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi/112633927397201824 https://social.vivaldi.net/@Vivaldi/112633927397201824