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The linked page is in English, but speaking of the option - residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this websi

The linked page is in English, but speaking of the option - residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this website anyway. Contrary to some popular beliefs in Russia about language wars, many people still do speak Russian in Ukraine and media do publish articles in Russian.

orbital-decay 1y ago
>residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this website anyway Deliberately blocking the supposed enemy from hearing you does strike me as irrational, though. The mere fact they're doing Russian censors' job should probably make them recheck if they got anything wrong in their decision process, just in case.
- falcor84 1y ago
  What makes you think that it's the Ukranians that are blocking Russian users from accessing it?
  - grishka 1y ago
    The Cloudflare "you have been blocked" page. Many Ukrainian websites do something like this, so in my mind it's just a common thing that happens. Some non-Ukrainian do as well, seemingly with no rhyme or reason, I run into this so routinely that I have an entire thread: https://mastodon.social/@grishka/111934602844613193 https://mastodon.social/@grishka/111934602844613193
- herculity275 1y ago
  At this stage in the war keeping your social spaces free of malicious users seems like a much higher priority than providing the other side's civilians with accurate information. Russians can access all the info in the world with a simple VPN setup, that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia.
  - orbital-decay 1y ago
    This likely keeps normal people from seeing this way better than it keeps away any hackers or bots, as Russian citizens are mostly using DPI circumvention tools. And this was a thing since the first days of the war, it's not something new. >that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia Giving up is the easiest thing to do. Last time some people did, it was blamed on stereotypes like their "learned helplessness" and "fatalism".
    - alephnerd 1y ago
      The reality is, civilians cannot change a country's domestic foreign policy - especially in a country like Russia. Revolutions don't work without alignment from power centers like the police, military, judiciary, and a subset of legislators. Hosni Mubarak wasn't overthrown because of protesters in Tahrir Square - he was overthrown because General Sisi decided to ignore shoot-on-sight orders. There's no reason for Ukraine media to create a literal attack surface when most Russians already have a decent idea of what is happening in Ukraine (and vice versa) - most Russians and Ukrainians have blood relatives on both sides of the border.
      - orbital-decay 1y ago
        Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The reality is that awareness is a major factor, that was literally the main way of the power takeover in Russia (see e.g. Suponev, Ernst, Gusinsky, and Listyev). Russian government is really careful about doing things slowly and getting away with everything people let them get away with, and stopping dehumanization and letting people hearing voices is really important. Even if people right now disagree or think of it as propaganda (which it usually is, I hope nobody has any illusions about that), just existence of something in the background is enough to set up something else in the future. The time for the change will inevitably come like it always does, and the question then will become "what Ukrainian media did all this time, and where the hell they were". Turns out they may have not existed at all as well - out of sight, out of mind.
- ivan_gammel 1y ago
  I agree with you, it’s irrational. It’s also something to be expected, because this war was irrational from the very beginning with both sides often driven by emotional triggers rather than cold-minded calculations or facts.

orbital-decay 1y ago

>residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this website anyway Deliberately blocking the supposed enemy from hearing you does strike me as irrational, though. The mere fact they're doing Russian censors' job should probably make them recheck if they got anything wrong in their decision process, just in case.

falcor84 1y ago
What makes you think that it's the Ukranians that are blocking Russian users from accessing it?
- grishka 1y ago
  The Cloudflare "you have been blocked" page. Many Ukrainian websites do something like this, so in my mind it's just a common thing that happens. Some non-Ukrainian do as well, seemingly with no rhyme or reason, I run into this so routinely that I have an entire thread: https://mastodon.social/@grishka/111934602844613193 https://mastodon.social/@grishka/111934602844613193
herculity275 1y ago
At this stage in the war keeping your social spaces free of malicious users seems like a much higher priority than providing the other side's civilians with accurate information. Russians can access all the info in the world with a simple VPN setup, that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia.
- orbital-decay 1y ago
  This likely keeps normal people from seeing this way better than it keeps away any hackers or bots, as Russian citizens are mostly using DPI circumvention tools. And this was a thing since the first days of the war, it's not something new. >that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia Giving up is the easiest thing to do. Last time some people did, it was blamed on stereotypes like their "learned helplessness" and "fatalism".
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    The reality is, civilians cannot change a country's domestic foreign policy - especially in a country like Russia. Revolutions don't work without alignment from power centers like the police, military, judiciary, and a subset of legislators. Hosni Mubarak wasn't overthrown because of protesters in Tahrir Square - he was overthrown because General Sisi decided to ignore shoot-on-sight orders. There's no reason for Ukraine media to create a literal attack surface when most Russians already have a decent idea of what is happening in Ukraine (and vice versa) - most Russians and Ukrainians have blood relatives on both sides of the border.
    - orbital-decay 1y ago
      Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The reality is that awareness is a major factor, that was literally the main way of the power takeover in Russia (see e.g. Suponev, Ernst, Gusinsky, and Listyev). Russian government is really careful about doing things slowly and getting away with everything people let them get away with, and stopping dehumanization and letting people hearing voices is really important. Even if people right now disagree or think of it as propaganda (which it usually is, I hope nobody has any illusions about that), just existence of something in the background is enough to set up something else in the future. The time for the change will inevitably come like it always does, and the question then will become "what Ukrainian media did all this time, and where the hell they were". Turns out they may have not existed at all as well - out of sight, out of mind.
ivan_gammel 1y ago
I agree with you, it’s irrational. It’s also something to be expected, because this war was irrational from the very beginning with both sides often driven by emotional triggers rather than cold-minded calculations or facts.