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I don't get it. The putty website has always been https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ This

I don't get it. The putty website has always been https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ This has never changed. Just because someone likes to use short circuit routing in their head doesn't make putty.org the official site for putty. That is the same attitude as telling the Keepass folks that https://keepass.info/ https://keepass.info/ is wrong... edit: Maybe also have a look at the putty FAQ, especially 9.3 https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#faq-admin https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#...

TonyTrapp 1y ago
How does your example relate? keepass.info is the official Keepass website, owned by the Keepass developer.
- asimops 1y ago
  As is https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ to Putty. Still there were multiple requests to the Keepass project to change that domain to "a proper" domain like keepass.com
  - stavros 1y ago
    I, too, took your comment to mean that keepass.info is to KeePass as putty.org is to PuTTY.
    - asimops 1y ago
      Well, classic sender receiver mismatch I guess :D Is my intent more clear with that second try to explain? If not, I'm more then welcome to talk about a better way to phrase it :)
      - mtlynch 1y ago
        I was confused as well and panicked that I'd been installing KeePass from a fake site all these years. But keepass.info is indeed the official site. Suggest: That is the same attitude as critics telling the Keepass maintainer to migrate the (official) keepass.info domain to a .com...
        GoblinSlayer 1y ago
        For some reason there's no .official tld, there's .app, .codes, .dev, .download, .kosher
        arp242 1y ago
        It's a nice idea in principle, but one problem with that is that for many names, there are multiple "official" meanings. Apple Inc. and Apple Records is a well-known example. This is why Wikipedia has (sometimes lengthy) disambiguation pages.
        asimops 1y ago
        Yes, that captures my intent :) Sadly, I cannot edit the post anymore.
ColinWright 1y ago
Here's a framing of the problem. There's software called PuTTY, and non-technical or less technical people, or even technical people who are running on autopilot, might reasonably expect that it's hosted on putty.org. They just need to be more careful. Here's an analogy. Even capable programmers keep screwing up when using C and end up with memory leaks and security vulnerabilities. But that's no reason to stop using it ... people should just be more careful. No analogy is perfect, every example has problems and loopholes, but this seems a reasonable one. Just as people should use programming languages that make it harder to make mistakes, so companies should not behave in deceptive manners, and when they do, they should be called out on it.
- 112233 1y ago
  It is good analogy. Similarly, telcos keep accepting and showing any cooked up caller ID over their SS7, and when someone gets scammed because they trusted the caller ID, the messaging I hear always actually is "people should just be more careful." Same as banks requiring only card number to give someone money from the account. "you shoul be more careful with your card number." It is sad to hear the level of victim blaming from the big industry.
- asimops 1y ago
  I don't think the issue really stems from putty.org being there. It stems from a "trusted" third-party, the search engine, suggesting you the wrong place. Therefore I think you are missing the point with your analogy.
- GoblinSlayer 1y ago
  Nontechnical people afraid of a scary console window use putty?
  - meepmorp 1y ago
    Yes. Unfortunately.
sdflhasjd 1y ago
Google (not saying it's a good search engine, but people use it) puts putty.org at the top of search results. The results shows as: Download PuTTY - a free SSH and telnet client for Windows. PuTTY is an SSH and telnet client, developed originally by Simon Tatham for the Windows platform. PuTTY is open source software that is available with source...
ColinWright 1y ago
Point of information. From that doc: A.9.3 Would you like me to register you a nicer domain name? No, thank you. Even if you can find one (most of them seem to have been registered already, by people who didn't ask whether we actually wanted it before they applied), we're happy with the PuTTY web site being exactly where it is. It's not hard to find (just type ‘putty’ into google.com and we're the first link returned) ... Searching for "putty ssh" on both DDG and Google now return putty.org as their top result.
- whywhywhywhy 1y ago
  It's not even on the screen for me when searching "putty" 1: putty.org 2: "People also ask, What is putty and why is it used?" then 4 other questions about the material putty taking up most of the page 3: Videos "How to use Putty to SSH on Windows" ----- Fold ----- 4. Video "How to Use Putty?" 5: Video "How to SSH Without a Password with Putty" 6: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ the actual site
  - asimops 1y ago
    This is definitely something that should be raised to the putty team. But with how the rest of the text is worded, I doubt that will change their mind.
- peanut-walrus 1y ago
  Huh weird, usually top 3 results are "sponsored" links serving malware.
  - asimops 1y ago
    Might be one of those weirdos using an ad blocker ;)
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Really? You're telling me you weren't looking for softwaredownload.com free download software today?
richrichardsson 1y ago
Except Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing all return putty.org as the top result. The "official" PuTTY website appears as either the 2nd or 3rd result. putty.org has this on their page: > On July 13, 2025, Bitvise was contacted by a political interrogator posing as a journalist. They are doing a great job of making themselves look like assholes.
- asimops 1y ago
  IMHO neither of the two showed exactly nice behavior. But I don't think that this is particularly relevant.

TonyTrapp 1y ago

How does your example relate? keepass.info is the official Keepass website, owned by the Keepass developer.

asimops 1y ago
As is https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ to Putty. Still there were multiple requests to the Keepass project to change that domain to "a proper" domain like keepass.com
- stavros 1y ago
  I, too, took your comment to mean that keepass.info is to KeePass as putty.org is to PuTTY.
  - asimops 1y ago
    Well, classic sender receiver mismatch I guess :D Is my intent more clear with that second try to explain? If not, I'm more then welcome to talk about a better way to phrase it :)
    - mtlynch 1y ago
      I was confused as well and panicked that I'd been installing KeePass from a fake site all these years. But keepass.info is indeed the official site. Suggest: That is the same attitude as critics telling the Keepass maintainer to migrate the (official) keepass.info domain to a .com...
      - GoblinSlayer 1y ago
        For some reason there's no .official tld, there's .app, .codes, .dev, .download, .kosher
        arp242 1y ago
        It's a nice idea in principle, but one problem with that is that for many names, there are multiple "official" meanings. Apple Inc. and Apple Records is a well-known example. This is why Wikipedia has (sometimes lengthy) disambiguation pages.
      - asimops 1y ago
        Yes, that captures my intent :) Sadly, I cannot edit the post anymore.

ColinWright 1y ago

Here's a framing of the problem. There's software called PuTTY, and non-technical or less technical people, or even technical people who are running on autopilot, might reasonably expect that it's hosted on putty.org. They just need to be more careful. Here's an analogy. Even capable programmers keep screwing up when using C and end up with memory leaks and security vulnerabilities. But that's no reason to stop using it ... people should just be more careful. No analogy is perfect, every example has problems and loopholes, but this seems a reasonable one. Just as people should use programming languages that make it harder to make mistakes, so companies should not behave in deceptive manners, and when they do, they should be called out on it.

112233 1y ago
It is good analogy. Similarly, telcos keep accepting and showing any cooked up caller ID over their SS7, and when someone gets scammed because they trusted the caller ID, the messaging I hear always actually is "people should just be more careful." Same as banks requiring only card number to give someone money from the account. "you shoul be more careful with your card number." It is sad to hear the level of victim blaming from the big industry.
asimops 1y ago
I don't think the issue really stems from putty.org being there. It stems from a "trusted" third-party, the search engine, suggesting you the wrong place. Therefore I think you are missing the point with your analogy.
GoblinSlayer 1y ago
Nontechnical people afraid of a scary console window use putty?
- meepmorp 1y ago
  Yes. Unfortunately.

sdflhasjd 1y ago

Google (not saying it's a good search engine, but people use it) puts putty.org at the top of search results. The results shows as: Download PuTTY - a free SSH and telnet client for Windows. PuTTY is an SSH and telnet client, developed originally by Simon Tatham for the Windows platform. PuTTY is open source software that is available with source...

ColinWright 1y ago

Point of information. From that doc: A.9.3 Would you like me to register you a nicer domain name? No, thank you. Even if you can find one (most of them seem to have been registered already, by people who didn't ask whether we actually wanted it before they applied), we're happy with the PuTTY web site being exactly where it is. It's not hard to find (just type ‘putty’ into google.com and we're the first link returned) ... Searching for "putty ssh" on both DDG and Google now return putty.org as their top result.

whywhywhywhy 1y ago
It's not even on the screen for me when searching "putty" 1: putty.org 2: "People also ask, What is putty and why is it used?" then 4 other questions about the material putty taking up most of the page 3: Videos "How to use Putty to SSH on Windows" ----- Fold ----- 4. Video "How to Use Putty?" 5: Video "How to SSH Without a Password with Putty" 6: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ the actual site
- asimops 1y ago
  This is definitely something that should be raised to the putty team. But with how the rest of the text is worded, I doubt that will change their mind.
peanut-walrus 1y ago
Huh weird, usually top 3 results are "sponsored" links serving malware.
- asimops 1y ago
  Might be one of those weirdos using an ad blocker ;)
- const_cast 1y ago
  Really? You're telling me you weren't looking for softwaredownload.com free download software today?

richrichardsson 1y ago

Except Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing all return putty.org as the top result. The "official" PuTTY website appears as either the 2nd or 3rd result. putty.org has this on their page: > On July 13, 2025, Bitvise was contacted by a political interrogator posing as a journalist. They are doing a great job of making themselves look like assholes.

asimops 1y ago
IMHO neither of the two showed exactly nice behavior. But I don't think that this is particularly relevant.