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As we discussed in the comments of the post, I think I simply blur the definition of "lying". Stretching the truth, or purposely omitting the other side of the

As we discussed in the comments of the post, I think I simply blur the definition of "lying". Stretching the truth, or purposely omitting the other side of the story is a form of lying if you ask me. Am I completely wrong here?

the_bear 14y ago
There's a big difference between saying something with a positive spin (vanity metrics, unfounded optimism, etc.) and photoshopping a fake picture of yourself with celebrities. Most of your examples of lying are just about interpreting things differently. To an entrepreneur, their company is heading in the right direction because the signups are consistently going up. Sure, they haven't figured out how to keep those people engaged yet, but building a successful company takes time. There's not a blurry gray area between focusing on the positives and completely making something up that's provably false. Yes, there are plenty of liars out there, but I don't think most of the behavior you're describing in your post fits that description.
ucee054 14y ago
You aren't the only one who thinks this way. (Not that that answers your question). I guess that we are outnumbered though.
dvdhsu 14y ago
Aaron Swartz has a post on dishonesty: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/intellectualdishonesty http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/intellectualdishonesty > Dishonesty has two parts: 1) saying something that is untrue, and 2) saying it with the intent to mislead the other person. He goes on to agree with Feynman: there are times where we "should ben[d] over backwards to show how [we] are maybe wrong" [1]. Yet, Aaron later states that "intellectual" honesty is an "impractical standard" to apply to every-day life. Some occasions call for it, others don't. Unfortunately, where we draw the line seems to be moving towards the latter. 1. http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm
- wesleyd 14y ago
  It takes two people to lie, Marge - one to lie, and one to be lied to. -- Homer Simpson

the_bear 14y ago

There's a big difference between saying something with a positive spin (vanity metrics, unfounded optimism, etc.) and photoshopping a fake picture of yourself with celebrities. Most of your examples of lying are just about interpreting things differently. To an entrepreneur, their company is heading in the right direction because the signups are consistently going up. Sure, they haven't figured out how to keep those people engaged yet, but building a successful company takes time. There's not a blurry gray area between focusing on the positives and completely making something up that's provably false. Yes, there are plenty of liars out there, but I don't think most of the behavior you're describing in your post fits that description.

ucee054 14y ago

You aren't the only one who thinks this way. (Not that that answers your question). I guess that we are outnumbered though.

dvdhsu 14y ago

Aaron Swartz has a post on dishonesty: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/intellectualdishonesty http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/intellectualdishonesty > Dishonesty has two parts: 1) saying something that is untrue, and 2) saying it with the intent to mislead the other person. He goes on to agree with Feynman: there are times where we "should ben[d] over backwards to show how [we] are maybe wrong" [1]. Yet, Aaron later states that "intellectual" honesty is an "impractical standard" to apply to every-day life. Some occasions call for it, others don't. Unfortunately, where we draw the line seems to be moving towards the latter. 1. http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm http://www.lhup.edu/~DSIMANEK/cargocul.htm

wesleyd 14y ago
It takes two people to lie, Marge - one to lie, and one to be lied to. -- Homer Simpson