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This is the key differentiator Mozilla seems to deliberately avoid understanding. Chrome is a perfectly okay browser from almost every perspective: standards, f

This is the key differentiator Mozilla seems to deliberately avoid understanding. Chrome is a perfectly okay browser from almost every perspective: standards, functionality, performance, etc. What Chrome is not good at and can never be good at while it's owned by an advertising company is respecting user choice to disable advertising and choose privacy models that exclude the browser company. Features and bugfixes are important, but they're table stakes for an everyday browser. They aren't enough to sell it.

vpShane 1y ago
> Chrome is a perfectly okay browser from almost every perspective No, it isn't. They killed adblock, and have a business model of throttling other browsers to force people to Chrome (Youtube throttling) and doing digital fingerprinting with exclusive-only Chrome finger prints as seen here on HN the other day. Firefox has anonym, where it sells your 'anonymous data' https://lifehacker.com/tech/why-you-should-disable-firefox-privacy-preserving-ad-measurements https://lifehacker.com/tech/why-you-should-disable-firefox-p... I just looked, go to Settings -> type advert and you'll see Website Advertising Preferences Allow websites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement This helps sites understand how their ads perform without collecting data about you. Learn more It comes pre-checked for you. I use Chromium for dev stuff, but now; there's no ublock origin.
- AlotOfReading 1y ago
  I tried to be clear about how Chrome is fine in most respects except for the incentives conflict, and you've simply pointed out symptoms stemming from that fundamental issue. Are we actually disagreeing or do you just dislike how I phrased it?
  - musicale 1y ago
    You were very clear. PP seems to be in agreement with you in spite of objecting to the first line and ignoring the rest.
- Snelius 1y ago
  "ublock origin lite" works well
  - snvzz 1y ago
    Not on Google's own websites such as Youtube.
    - lucumo 1y ago
      It blocks Youtube's ads just fine. You might've tried it during an arms race moment. YT is constantly changing it's anti-blocking measures, and uBO and uBO Lite are constantly responding. uBO had the same issue. uBO Lite does lack custom filters and custom filter lists. It also doesn't have sync, but uBO didn't do sync well anyway. Also sync is far less useful without custom filters.
PaulHoule 1y ago
Now that Google blocked uBlock origin, that's a good reason to keep using Firefox. It amazes me how much worse the web is on Chrome.
- EbNar 1y ago
  There are quite a few browser that don't ever need extensions to block ads. There's thus no reason for me to use Firefox (and I don't want to, until it's managed by Mozilla).
  - EbNar 1y ago
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    - fsflover 1y ago
      I didn't downvote you, but your vague mentioning of some browsers "that don't ever need extensions to block ads" is not helpful at all and sounds wrong to me. There are only three major browser engines in the world, and only Firefox's one blocks ads reliably.
      - EbNar 1y ago
        Well, I dont see ads in my non-FF browser. Don't know what else I could say. And, to be precise, FF doesn't block anything by itself. It just relies on an the job of unpaid volunteers to block ads.
        fsflover 1y ago
        Which "non-FF" browser? Ladybird? Lynx? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43241306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43241306
gonzobonzo 1y ago
> Features and bugfixes are important, but they're table stakes for an everyday browser. They aren't enough to sell it. One of the reasons I've moved to Chrome is because of the memory problems with Mozilla that I've been experiencing for years. Every so often I look up other people who've been having the same issues. They seem to have been reported for years, but there's often a surprising amount of hostility from Firefox fans whenever they get mentioned. As an aside, both Firefox and Chrome made their browsers significantly worse when they changed the order of windows in the windows menu from chronological to alphabetical.
- bboygravity 1y ago
  Floorp is basically Firefox without the memory issues. You might want to check it out.

vpShane 1y ago

> Chrome is a perfectly okay browser from almost every perspective No, it isn't. They killed adblock, and have a business model of throttling other browsers to force people to Chrome (Youtube throttling) and doing digital fingerprinting with exclusive-only Chrome finger prints as seen here on HN the other day. Firefox has anonym, where it sells your 'anonymous data' https://lifehacker.com/tech/why-you-should-disable-firefox-privacy-preserving-ad-measurements https://lifehacker.com/tech/why-you-should-disable-firefox-p... I just looked, go to Settings -> type advert and you'll see Website Advertising Preferences Allow websites to perform privacy-preserving ad measurement This helps sites understand how their ads perform without collecting data about you. Learn more It comes pre-checked for you. I use Chromium for dev stuff, but now; there's no ublock origin.

AlotOfReading 1y ago
I tried to be clear about how Chrome is fine in most respects except for the incentives conflict, and you've simply pointed out symptoms stemming from that fundamental issue. Are we actually disagreeing or do you just dislike how I phrased it?
- musicale 1y ago
  You were very clear. PP seems to be in agreement with you in spite of objecting to the first line and ignoring the rest.
Snelius 1y ago
"ublock origin lite" works well
- snvzz 1y ago
  Not on Google's own websites such as Youtube.
  - lucumo 1y ago
    It blocks Youtube's ads just fine. You might've tried it during an arms race moment. YT is constantly changing it's anti-blocking measures, and uBO and uBO Lite are constantly responding. uBO had the same issue. uBO Lite does lack custom filters and custom filter lists. It also doesn't have sync, but uBO didn't do sync well anyway. Also sync is far less useful without custom filters.

PaulHoule 1y ago

Now that Google blocked uBlock origin, that's a good reason to keep using Firefox. It amazes me how much worse the web is on Chrome.

EbNar 1y ago
There are quite a few browser that don't ever need extensions to block ads. There's thus no reason for me to use Firefox (and I don't want to, until it's managed by Mozilla).
- EbNar 1y ago
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  - fsflover 1y ago
    I didn't downvote you, but your vague mentioning of some browsers "that don't ever need extensions to block ads" is not helpful at all and sounds wrong to me. There are only three major browser engines in the world, and only Firefox's one blocks ads reliably.
    - EbNar 1y ago
      Well, I dont see ads in my non-FF browser. Don't know what else I could say. And, to be precise, FF doesn't block anything by itself. It just relies on an the job of unpaid volunteers to block ads.
      - fsflover 1y ago
        Which "non-FF" browser? Ladybird? Lynx? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41871873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240477 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43240845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43241306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43241306

gonzobonzo 1y ago

> Features and bugfixes are important, but they're table stakes for an everyday browser. They aren't enough to sell it. One of the reasons I've moved to Chrome is because of the memory problems with Mozilla that I've been experiencing for years. Every so often I look up other people who've been having the same issues. They seem to have been reported for years, but there's often a surprising amount of hostility from Firefox fans whenever they get mentioned. As an aside, both Firefox and Chrome made their browsers significantly worse when they changed the order of windows in the windows menu from chronological to alphabetical.

bboygravity 1y ago
Floorp is basically Firefox without the memory issues. You might want to check it out.