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What is this Israeli "self-censorship" claim? BS. Haaretz publishes plenty about the atrocities in progress. Far more than the American media dares to publish

What is this Israeli "self-censorship" claim? BS. Haaretz publishes plenty about the atrocities in progress. Far more than the American media dares to publish. The editorial scrutiny here is minimal at best.

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nabla9 1y ago
Last year Israel's military censor banned 1,635 articles and partially redacted another 6,265 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Israel Pressure, intimidation, and censorship: Israeli journalists have faced growing repression in the past year https://rsf.org/en/pressure-intimidation-and-censorship-israeli-journalists-have-faced-growing-repression-past-year https://rsf.org/en/pressure-intimidation-and-censorship-isra...
- DaveZale 1y ago
  okay! I agree. But Haaertz does a better job than the US media does. Gotta give them that. It's wartime, so censorship is publicly asknowledged there. I might add that journalists in Gaza are often killed.
  - FireBeyond 1y ago
    The Israeli Military Censor has nothing to do with there being a "war" now. They've been censoring news in Israel since the late 1970s.
frollogaston 1y ago
Haaretz is currently boycotted by the Israeli govt since Nov 2024, though not the same as a ban.
- DaveZale 1y ago
  aljazeera banned. I was reading it daily during the attacks on Iran. They had updates every few minutes. Nothing I saw was not factual, AFAIK. bbc reports occasionally on the Gaza situation. Like this https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4rwrkdlzxo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4rwrkdlzxo What happened to the US media? It all seems to be recipes, dating advice, wellness tips on the front pages. I am in the US but get my news from elsewhere. It is not an option anymore;-)
  - transfer92 1y ago
    BBC is not perfect either: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k7n6kd8yxo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k7n6kd8yxo "In February the BBC apologised over "serious flaws" in the making of the programme about children's lives in Gaza, after it was revealed its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas minister."
    - NomDePlum 1y ago
      There was no correction on what was actually said though. It's a terrible state of affairs when who someone is related to, is of more concern than the horrific and constant terrors they and other children have had inflicted upon them by Israel for nearly 2 years.
      - DaveZale 1y ago
        agree. Typical propaganda approach, harp on some minor point to change the discussion. Some say Neta created Hamas to weaken another organization at the time. The whole history of what's been happening there is very complicated and nuanced. The motto of their intel org reads, "by way of deception, though shalt do war" so it's not surprising that truth seems artificially scarce.
      - frollogaston 1y ago
        Because they couldn't independently verify or revise, and Israel can't be trusted either. It's ridiculous how so many BBC articles are like "source: Hamas." This documentary reveal wasn't even surprising, I thought it went without saying.
ciconia 1y ago
Haaretz is the only mainstream media to report regularly on Palestinian casualties. It has a readership of less than 5% [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Israel

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nabla9 1y ago

Last year Israel's military censor banned 1,635 articles and partially redacted another 6,265 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Israel Pressure, intimidation, and censorship: Israeli journalists have faced growing repression in the past year https://rsf.org/en/pressure-intimidation-and-censorship-israeli-journalists-have-faced-growing-repression-past-year https://rsf.org/en/pressure-intimidation-and-censorship-isra...

DaveZale 1y ago
okay! I agree. But Haaertz does a better job than the US media does. Gotta give them that. It's wartime, so censorship is publicly asknowledged there. I might add that journalists in Gaza are often killed.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  The Israeli Military Censor has nothing to do with there being a "war" now. They've been censoring news in Israel since the late 1970s.

frollogaston 1y ago

Haaretz is currently boycotted by the Israeli govt since Nov 2024, though not the same as a ban.

DaveZale 1y ago
aljazeera banned. I was reading it daily during the attacks on Iran. They had updates every few minutes. Nothing I saw was not factual, AFAIK. bbc reports occasionally on the Gaza situation. Like this https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4rwrkdlzxo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4rwrkdlzxo What happened to the US media? It all seems to be recipes, dating advice, wellness tips on the front pages. I am in the US but get my news from elsewhere. It is not an option anymore;-)
- transfer92 1y ago
  BBC is not perfect either: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k7n6kd8yxo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k7n6kd8yxo "In February the BBC apologised over "serious flaws" in the making of the programme about children's lives in Gaza, after it was revealed its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas minister."
  - NomDePlum 1y ago
    There was no correction on what was actually said though. It's a terrible state of affairs when who someone is related to, is of more concern than the horrific and constant terrors they and other children have had inflicted upon them by Israel for nearly 2 years.
    - DaveZale 1y ago
      agree. Typical propaganda approach, harp on some minor point to change the discussion. Some say Neta created Hamas to weaken another organization at the time. The whole history of what's been happening there is very complicated and nuanced. The motto of their intel org reads, "by way of deception, though shalt do war" so it's not surprising that truth seems artificially scarce.
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Because they couldn't independently verify or revise, and Israel can't be trusted either. It's ridiculous how so many BBC articles are like "source: Hamas." This documentary reveal wasn't even surprising, I thought it went without saying.

ciconia 1y ago

Haaretz is the only mainstream media to report regularly on Palestinian casualties. It has a readership of less than 5% [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Israel