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- Visual Studio changed coding as we knew it - SQL changed coding as we knew it - Haskell changed coding as we knew it - APL changed coding as we knew it -

- Visual Studio changed coding as we knew it - SQL changed coding as we knew it - Haskell changed coding as we knew it - APL changed coding as we knew it - HTML + CSS + JavaScript changed coding as we knew it I could go on and on and on and on, I'm just violently agreeing with you! :) Will AI change coding as we know it? Yes! And for many of us, it already has!

coldtea 1y ago
Nah, none of them changed coding as we know it. At best they changed some aspects of coding for some niche or some subset of users. But at best they just introduced a new workflow or paradigm that co-existed with the others. APL and Haskell are so niche as to not have any impact (Haskell inspired languages like Elm and Rust included) to most working programmers and programming "as we know it". Same, before SQL there were many query dialects, for both relational and non-relational database engines, and of course many non-relational engines (the norm in the 70s). HTML+CSS+Javascript still involved ages old coding practices (a C/algol style language, prototypes and scheme-like closures, etc) and UI practices (forms, buttons, dropdowns, textboxes, callbacks, RPCs), plus hefty backend server programming. AI, on the other hand, has the potential to change coding altogether, end to end (whether one writes C drivers or front-end code or whatever) and even eliminate the field for MOST people.
- taylodl 1y ago
  > at best they just introduced a new workflow or paradigm that co-existed with the others Which is all AI is doing. The workflow is the only thing that has changed so far.
  - coldtea 1y ago
    Nobody argued it has already ended coding or at least coding as we know it. We argue whether it will end it. That said, "the workflow is the only thing changed so far" you omit that the workflow change includes the code being written automatically for you in large part. That's not batch compiling to personal compiler. That's not editor vs IDE. That's way bigger.

coldtea 1y ago

Nah, none of them changed coding as we know it. At best they changed some aspects of coding for some niche or some subset of users. But at best they just introduced a new workflow or paradigm that co-existed with the others. APL and Haskell are so niche as to not have any impact (Haskell inspired languages like Elm and Rust included) to most working programmers and programming "as we know it". Same, before SQL there were many query dialects, for both relational and non-relational database engines, and of course many non-relational engines (the norm in the 70s). HTML+CSS+Javascript still involved ages old coding practices (a C/algol style language, prototypes and scheme-like closures, etc) and UI practices (forms, buttons, dropdowns, textboxes, callbacks, RPCs), plus hefty backend server programming. AI, on the other hand, has the potential to change coding altogether, end to end (whether one writes C drivers or front-end code or whatever) and even eliminate the field for MOST people.

taylodl 1y ago
> at best they just introduced a new workflow or paradigm that co-existed with the others Which is all AI is doing. The workflow is the only thing that has changed so far.
- coldtea 1y ago
  Nobody argued it has already ended coding or at least coding as we know it. We argue whether it will end it. That said, "the workflow is the only thing changed so far" you omit that the workflow change includes the code being written automatically for you in large part. That's not batch compiling to personal compiler. That's not editor vs IDE. That's way bigger.