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111 MB for a text editor is acceptable? I mean I get it, "we" are getting conditioned to it, but...

OptionX 1y ago
The editor is 10mb. It's the grammar files that are represent the bulk, and those are optional. And yes. Complaining about 100mb nowadays is ridiculous. You probably have larger logfiles sitting somewhere in disk doing nothing right now, regardless of your OS.
- bigfatkitten 1y ago
  And it’s a 10MB static binary I can just drop into ~/.local/bin and have Just Work(tm)
- johnisgood 1y ago
  I know, I was talking about a hypothetical text editor being 100 MB (without grammar files). And those log files can be easily wiped or rotated (i.e. compressed, which can greatly reduce their size), as they should. You do not do the same with your other files, do you?
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Why the down-vote? You don't rotate your logs? Thought it is commonplace. Rotating logs includes compressing old ones. Or are your log files actually over 100 MB? Why? What are you printing? Output of "yes"? :D As someone mentioned, Emacs is over 100 MB, so it does not have to be hypothetical. That said, I use emacs (and vim) interchangeably and I have nothing against it. I have LibreOffice, too, which is also a behemoth, but so is Haskell with its modules that I see getting updated regularly. In any case, I still prefer KISS and the fewer bloat as possible.
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mlry 1y ago
Long forgotten the times back in the days during the Great Editor Wars when Emacs was shunned as an acronym for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping". The youth of today ...
- johnisgood 1y ago
  I am old enough to remember that. :D
- usef- 1y ago
  Emacs binary download page pointed me to Windows, but for comparison: 141MB: emacs-30.1-nodeps.zip 75MB: emacs-30.1-installer.exe (better compression? Contents seem similar) 27MB helix-25.07-x86_64-windows.zip So there's still an Emacs distinction, it seems (*not that these size differences matter in practice -- helix's "bulk" is all in compiled language grammars, each of which is not loaded unless you use the language.)
  - usef- 1y ago
    (replying to myself) Alpine package sizes: - helix 10.3MiB (+ 3 dependencies: musl, libgcc, sh) - emacs 14.5MiB (+ 1 dependency: musl) - neovim 18.7MiB (+ 9 dependencies musl, lua, tree-sitter, libint, libluv, unibilium, utf8proc, libuv, libluajit)) So it doesn't seem out of the ordinary for popular cli editors, if you're worried about smaller environments.
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The editor is 10mb. It's the grammar files that are represent the bulk, and those are optional. And yes. Complaining about 100mb nowadays is ridiculous. You probably have larger logfiles sitting somewhere in disk doing nothing right now, regardless of your OS.

bigfatkitten 1y ago
And it’s a 10MB static binary I can just drop into ~/.local/bin and have Just Work(tm)
johnisgood 1y ago
I know, I was talking about a hypothetical text editor being 100 MB (without grammar files). And those log files can be easily wiped or rotated (i.e. compressed, which can greatly reduce their size), as they should. You do not do the same with your other files, do you?
- johnisgood 1y ago
  Why the down-vote? You don't rotate your logs? Thought it is commonplace. Rotating logs includes compressing old ones. Or are your log files actually over 100 MB? Why? What are you printing? Output of "yes"? :D As someone mentioned, Emacs is over 100 MB, so it does not have to be hypothetical. That said, I use emacs (and vim) interchangeably and I have nothing against it. I have LibreOffice, too, which is also a behemoth, but so is Haskell with its modules that I see getting updated regularly. In any case, I still prefer KISS and the fewer bloat as possible.

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mlry 1y ago

Long forgotten the times back in the days during the Great Editor Wars when Emacs was shunned as an acronym for "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping". The youth of today ...

johnisgood 1y ago
I am old enough to remember that. :D
usef- 1y ago
Emacs binary download page pointed me to Windows, but for comparison: 141MB: emacs-30.1-nodeps.zip 75MB: emacs-30.1-installer.exe (better compression? Contents seem similar) 27MB helix-25.07-x86_64-windows.zip So there's still an Emacs distinction, it seems (*not that these size differences matter in practice -- helix's "bulk" is all in compiled language grammars, each of which is not loaded unless you use the language.)
- usef- 1y ago
  (replying to myself) Alpine package sizes: - helix 10.3MiB (+ 3 dependencies: musl, libgcc, sh) - emacs 14.5MiB (+ 1 dependency: musl) - neovim 18.7MiB (+ 9 dependencies musl, lua, tree-sitter, libint, libluv, unibilium, utf8proc, libuv, libluajit)) So it doesn't seem out of the ordinary for popular cli editors, if you're worried about smaller environments.

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