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So it's not only the ICE officers who are so ashamed of what they're doing that they have to hide, but it's the lawyers as well.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
Don't confuse fear with shame. Who wouldn't be afraid of their lives and their families safety, when there's aggressive mobs, both on- and off- line, waiting to doxx or physically assault you for doing your job and enforcing the law?
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  Maybe it's a sign that what they're doing is wrong.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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    - hollywood_court 1y ago
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        hollywood_court 1y ago
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        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Masked individuals running around stealing people from the streets, their jobs, their homes, etc. Yes, that's the process of law enforcement, what do you expect? Hugs and awards for breaking the law? Go commit a crime and see masked individuals "stealing" you from your home or the street for breaking the law and taking you to court or to jail, those masked individuals are called law enforcement officers and are employed by our elected governments to enforce our democratic laws against those who break them. They're masked because the criminal gangs love taking revenge on LEOs or their families. Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy.
        crtasm 1y ago
        >Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy. I refer you to the many, many cases of non-criminals being detained by ICE that have been covered in the news recently.
        tastyface 1y ago
        And what is the procedure for me to not get abducted by some shithead thugs cosplaying as ICE, assuming it's totally fine for law enforcement to conceal their identities and throw people in unmarked vans? How do I get myself unstuck from CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz once I'm thrown in there without due process?
    - const_cast 1y ago
      > How do YOU decide what is right and what is wrong? Per the US constitution, if and when our government turns tyrannical, it is the duty of the American people to overthrow it, up to and including violence. You might not agree with this principle, but these are the principles that founded our country.
      - majorchord 1y ago
        I agree with you... I think a big issue right now though is that not everyone agrees on the same definition of "tyrannical" and whether or not this counts. You can't just say "all republicans are dumb and things should be MY way instead", because they think the same about the democrats, and that doesn't make you any better. You can try educating people, but if they never learn, well... history has a funny way of repeating itself. Every advanced (for their time) civilization has gone through the "stupid period" also known as Machiavelli's paradox.
  - kcplate 1y ago
    Or maybe it’s a sign that the people they are apprehending and those that support them are sociopaths.
- kcplate 1y ago
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- tastyface 1y ago
  No such thing as "doxxing" a public servant.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    You don't know what you're talking about.
em3rgent0rdr 1y ago
Wouldn't want to be immortalized in history books.
- leereeves 1y ago
  More likely, they don't want to be attacked at home by the kind of people who ambushed ICE agents on July 4th. [1] Or by the cartels, for whom smuggling people into the United States is a lucrative (and violent) business. [2] 1: https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice-detention-facility/story?id=123555164 https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evolution.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evol...
  - JohnFen 1y ago
    Yeah, I'm not buying it at all. Those sorts of risks are hardly new, and have been effectively handled before without resorting to these sorts of measures. What's so different now? The obvious intent is to terrify the general population with masked shock troops. This is third world warlord shit. It's more likely that what the lawyers are afraid of is their employability after this nightmare is ended.
    - leereeves 1y ago
      You're not "buying it"? Right here in this very discussion there are comments calling for "violent revolution" and the "duty of the American people to overthrow [the government], up to and including violence". The threat of violence against government agents is very real. If you don't see, it's only because you don't want to see.
      - JohnFen 1y ago
        I didn't say the threat of violence wasn't real. What's new is this kind of response to it, which is why I don't think it's really that threat that is the the reason for it. It's the sort of response that only makes everything worse for everybody.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

Don't confuse fear with shame. Who wouldn't be afraid of their lives and their families safety, when there's aggressive mobs, both on- and off- line, waiting to doxx or physically assault you for doing your job and enforcing the law?

ranger_danger 1y ago
Maybe it's a sign that what they're doing is wrong.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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  - hollywood_court 1y ago
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      - hollywood_court 1y ago
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        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >Masked individuals running around stealing people from the streets, their jobs, their homes, etc. Yes, that's the process of law enforcement, what do you expect? Hugs and awards for breaking the law? Go commit a crime and see masked individuals "stealing" you from your home or the street for breaking the law and taking you to court or to jail, those masked individuals are called law enforcement officers and are employed by our elected governments to enforce our democratic laws against those who break them. They're masked because the criminal gangs love taking revenge on LEOs or their families. Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy.
        crtasm 1y ago
        >Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy. I refer you to the many, many cases of non-criminals being detained by ICE that have been covered in the news recently.
        tastyface 1y ago
        And what is the procedure for me to not get abducted by some shithead thugs cosplaying as ICE, assuming it's totally fine for law enforcement to conceal their identities and throw people in unmarked vans? How do I get myself unstuck from CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz once I'm thrown in there without due process?
  - const_cast 1y ago
    > How do YOU decide what is right and what is wrong? Per the US constitution, if and when our government turns tyrannical, it is the duty of the American people to overthrow it, up to and including violence. You might not agree with this principle, but these are the principles that founded our country.
    - majorchord 1y ago
      I agree with you... I think a big issue right now though is that not everyone agrees on the same definition of "tyrannical" and whether or not this counts. You can't just say "all republicans are dumb and things should be MY way instead", because they think the same about the democrats, and that doesn't make you any better. You can try educating people, but if they never learn, well... history has a funny way of repeating itself. Every advanced (for their time) civilization has gone through the "stupid period" also known as Machiavelli's paradox.
- kcplate 1y ago
  Or maybe it’s a sign that the people they are apprehending and those that support them are sociopaths.
kcplate 1y ago
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tastyface 1y ago
No such thing as "doxxing" a public servant.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  You don't know what you're talking about.

em3rgent0rdr 1y ago

Wouldn't want to be immortalized in history books.

leereeves 1y ago
More likely, they don't want to be attacked at home by the kind of people who ambushed ICE agents on July 4th. [1] Or by the cartels, for whom smuggling people into the United States is a lucrative (and violent) business. [2] 1: https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice-detention-facility/story?id=123555164 https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evolution.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evol...
- JohnFen 1y ago
  Yeah, I'm not buying it at all. Those sorts of risks are hardly new, and have been effectively handled before without resorting to these sorts of measures. What's so different now? The obvious intent is to terrify the general population with masked shock troops. This is third world warlord shit. It's more likely that what the lawyers are afraid of is their employability after this nightmare is ended.
  - leereeves 1y ago
    You're not "buying it"? Right here in this very discussion there are comments calling for "violent revolution" and the "duty of the American people to overthrow [the government], up to and including violence". The threat of violence against government agents is very real. If you don't see, it's only because you don't want to see.
    - JohnFen 1y ago
      I didn't say the threat of violence wasn't real. What's new is this kind of response to it, which is why I don't think it's really that threat that is the the reason for it. It's the sort of response that only makes everything worse for everybody.