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ICE lawyers are hiding their names in court
- JohnFen 1y agoSo it's not only the ICE officers who are so ashamed of what they're doing that they have to hide, but it's the lawyers as well.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoDon't confuse fear with shame. Who wouldn't be afraid of their lives and their families safety, when there's aggressive mobs, both on- and off- line, waiting to doxx or physically assault you for doing your job and enforcing the law?
- ranger_danger 1y agoMaybe it's a sign that what they're doing is wrong.
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- FirmwareBurner 1y ago>Masked individuals running around stealing people from the streets, their jobs, their homes, etc. Yes, that's the process of law enforcement, what do you expect? Hugs and awards for breaking the law? Go commit a crime and see masked individuals "stealing" you from your home or the street for breaking the law and taking you to court or to jail, those masked individuals are called law enforcement officers and are employed by our elected governments to enforce our democratic laws against those who break them. They're masked because the criminal gangs love taking revenge on LEOs or their families. Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy.
- crtasm 1y ago>Don't be a criminal, follow the law, it's literally that easy. I refer you to the many, many cases of non-criminals being detained by ICE that have been covered in the news recently.
- tastyface 1y agoAnd what is the procedure for me to not get abducted by some shithead thugs cosplaying as ICE, assuming it's totally fine for law enforcement to conceal their identities and throw people in unmarked vans? How do I get myself unstuck from CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz once I'm thrown in there without due process?
- const_cast 1y ago> How do YOU decide what is right and what is wrong? Per the US constitution, if and when our government turns tyrannical, it is the duty of the American people to overthrow it, up to and including violence. You might not agree with this principle, but these are the principles that founded our country.
- majorchord 1y agoI agree with you... I think a big issue right now though is that not everyone agrees on the same definition of "tyrannical" and whether or not this counts. You can't just say "all republicans are dumb and things should be MY way instead", because they think the same about the democrats, and that doesn't make you any better. You can try educating people, but if they never learn, well... history has a funny way of repeating itself. Every advanced (for their time) civilization has gone through the "stupid period" also known as Machiavelli's paradox.
- kcplate 1y agoOr maybe it’s a sign that the people they are apprehending and those that support them are sociopaths.
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- tastyface 1y agoNo such thing as "doxxing" a public servant.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoYou don't know what you're talking about.
- em3rgent0rdr 1y agoWouldn't want to be immortalized in history books.
- leereeves 1y agoMore likely, they don't want to be attacked at home by the kind of people who ambushed ICE agents on July 4th. [1] Or by the cartels, for whom smuggling people into the United States is a lucrative (and violent) business. [2] 1: https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice-detention-facility/story?id=123555164 https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-arrested-after-ambush-texas-ice... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evolution.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/25/us/migrant-smuggling-evol...
- JohnFen 1y agoYeah, I'm not buying it at all. Those sorts of risks are hardly new, and have been effectively handled before without resorting to these sorts of measures. What's so different now? The obvious intent is to terrify the general population with masked shock troops. This is third world warlord shit. It's more likely that what the lawyers are afraid of is their employability after this nightmare is ended.
- leereeves 1y agoYou're not "buying it"? Right here in this very discussion there are comments calling for "violent revolution" and the "duty of the American people to overthrow [the government], up to and including violence". The threat of violence against government agents is very real. If you don't see, it's only because you don't want to see.
- JohnFen 1y agoI didn't say the threat of violence wasn't real. What's new is this kind of response to it, which is why I don't think it's really that threat that is the the reason for it. It's the sort of response that only makes everything worse for everybody.
- rolph 1y agothese are champions of "if your not doing anything wrong you have nothing to hide"; the carve-out; [until it applies to me], is usually not mentioned
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago[flagged]
- rolph 1y agoall they have to do is stop breaking the law.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoSo why don't illegal immigrants stop breaking the law, to not need ICE? anymore
- xracy 1y agoThis is just so far from the correct question that it's not worth trying to have a conversation about this. Policing doesn't make crime go away. More cops does not result in less crime. You fix crime by addressing what caused people to break the law in the first place. But no one who supports this administration understands that, and so we will not be fixing any of the country's problems anytime soon.
- kcplate 1y agoWait…exactly who is breaking the law again? And exactly which law they are breaking?
- xracy 1y ago"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." Show me what legal recourse people have to get their needs met, and I will show you how those avenues are being clamped down on by the very same people concerned about their safety.
- awnird 1y agohttps://archive.is/LrjPb https://archive.is/LrjPb
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- josefritzishere 1y agoIt's almost like someone learned the wrong lesson from the Neureberg trials.
- blargthorwars 1y agoMy opinion: making people go home is not the same thing as genocide.
- willmarch 1y agoExcept they aren’t sending them home, they’re cruelly sending them to unstable countries they aren’t from and putting their lives at risk. I wouldn’t call that justice. It’s closer to genocide than not. We can and should do better.
- leereeves 1y agoWow, what horrible things must you think about Latin America to believe that sending people there is "putting their lives at risk". People are sent to third countries (with permission from that country) because they say they can't return to their own country. Why wouldn't they be safe in another Spanish speaking nation that agreed to accept them? Latin America isn't a death trap.
- IAmBroom 1y agoSending dissidents/LGBTQ people home to many South American countries is a death trap. Labeling them as criminals (without due process, I might add) also can be. They aren't sending immigrants back to each immigrant's preferred, safe country, as you insinuate; they're sending back to their country of origin.
- leereeves 1y ago> Sending dissidents/LGBTQ people home to many South American countries is a death trap That's exactly the kind of ignorance I'm talking about. Same-sex marriage is legal in most (by population and area) of Latin America. Nations that haven't legalized that still have laws that ban anti-gay discrimination. English colonies like Jamaica and Guyana are worse. Many parts of the US are worse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_the_Americas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_the_Americas "Outside of the North Atlantic, no region in the world has undergone more progress in expanding LGBT legal rights than Latin America" "Spanish- and Portuguese-speaking Latin American countries (SPLA) are unquestionably in the lead in the region. If one excludes non-SPLA countries, which are mostly small countries in the Caribbean, the record of progress is even more impressive." - LGBTQ+ Victory Institute https://victoryinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/LAC-LGBT-PoliticalRepresentation-Report.pdf https://victoryinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/LAC-...
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