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If they are serious, they'd be using taxpayer data not to find people to deport, but to audit those with labor expenses that don't map to American taxpayers. Ma

If they are serious, they'd be using taxpayer data not to find people to deport, but to audit those with labor expenses that don't map to American taxpayers. Many American business owners are getting rich on the back of "illegal" labor, and the US's enforcement efforts seem to be willingly ignoring the demand side of the equation.

IncreasePosts 1y ago
I've wondered about it too, but I think it might just come down to it's far easier to say "papers, please" and verify them, versus auditing a business to understand where their payroll is going. You also need to account for people using stolen/borrowed credentials to appear to be able to work legally in the US(and generally verified by the federal government). If someone says they are Bob Jones, and they show you an ID, and you send that to the government and the government says Bob Jones can work for you, then you have no real way to tell that Bob Jones actually holds 40 different jobs simultaneously all over the country - but the government does.
TimorousBestie 1y ago
Unfortunately going after the business owners that profit from cheap labor is the one place neither party can tread. Recently Trump said he wants exceptions made for farms, hotels, golf courses, and the like.
- mindslight 1y ago
  This is exactly the crux of it - why immigration reform has repeatedly failed for the past several decades, why people are so increasingly upset about it, and why Trump is going to do absolutely nothing to change the status quo beyond upping the fascism.
  - tfandango 1y ago
    Elimination of the incentives is the correct solution, yet solving the problem correctly is often harder and more time consuming than just saying you solved it. These raids are public and chaotic and easy, and then you can just claim to have solved the problem, which works just fine for them. You see, politically, the incentives are not to solve the problem because we believe the lies they tell.
    - mindslight 1y ago
      It's not even just the "incentives", but rather the main issue that people have a legitimate problem with - depression of the labor market. Regardless of the viciousness signalling, Trump always backs down when posturing meets reality - he was certainly bound to do so on an issue directly affecting his business empire! His only real skill is being a really good con artist. He is not even good at running businesses, hence the simplistic fascism of just ordering people around. And so, if you actually care about addressing illegal immigration, or any other issue that requires a competent government, then Trump has been a step backwards for you regardless of how you may feel. Your first step is now admitting your mistake and working to get rid of Trump, alongside every other American.
tessierashpool 1y ago
no, they're serious, but they're not sincere. once this system is up and running, they can use it to harass and "deport" (rendition) anybody they want based on what tax-deductible contributions they've made to various non-profits. (it's rendition because a lot of these people are being sent to countries they're not even citizens of. obviously that pertains when sending people to prisons in El Salvador and Sudan. also, when deporting immigrant parents, they've "deported" US citizens who are children or infants to the countries of their parents' citizenship.)
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insane_dreamer 1y ago
they're not trying to solve the problem (they know the economy depends on illegal labor), they're trying to provide the _appearance_ of solving the problem

IncreasePosts 1y ago

I've wondered about it too, but I think it might just come down to it's far easier to say "papers, please" and verify them, versus auditing a business to understand where their payroll is going. You also need to account for people using stolen/borrowed credentials to appear to be able to work legally in the US(and generally verified by the federal government). If someone says they are Bob Jones, and they show you an ID, and you send that to the government and the government says Bob Jones can work for you, then you have no real way to tell that Bob Jones actually holds 40 different jobs simultaneously all over the country - but the government does.

TimorousBestie 1y ago

Unfortunately going after the business owners that profit from cheap labor is the one place neither party can tread. Recently Trump said he wants exceptions made for farms, hotels, golf courses, and the like.

mindslight 1y ago
This is exactly the crux of it - why immigration reform has repeatedly failed for the past several decades, why people are so increasingly upset about it, and why Trump is going to do absolutely nothing to change the status quo beyond upping the fascism.
- tfandango 1y ago
  Elimination of the incentives is the correct solution, yet solving the problem correctly is often harder and more time consuming than just saying you solved it. These raids are public and chaotic and easy, and then you can just claim to have solved the problem, which works just fine for them. You see, politically, the incentives are not to solve the problem because we believe the lies they tell.
  - mindslight 1y ago
    It's not even just the "incentives", but rather the main issue that people have a legitimate problem with - depression of the labor market. Regardless of the viciousness signalling, Trump always backs down when posturing meets reality - he was certainly bound to do so on an issue directly affecting his business empire! His only real skill is being a really good con artist. He is not even good at running businesses, hence the simplistic fascism of just ordering people around. And so, if you actually care about addressing illegal immigration, or any other issue that requires a competent government, then Trump has been a step backwards for you regardless of how you may feel. Your first step is now admitting your mistake and working to get rid of Trump, alongside every other American.

tessierashpool 1y ago

no, they're serious, but they're not sincere. once this system is up and running, they can use it to harass and "deport" (rendition) anybody they want based on what tax-deductible contributions they've made to various non-profits. (it's rendition because a lot of these people are being sent to countries they're not even citizens of. obviously that pertains when sending people to prisons in El Salvador and Sudan. also, when deporting immigrant parents, they've "deported" US citizens who are children or infants to the countries of their parents' citizenship.)

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insane_dreamer 1y ago

they're not trying to solve the problem (they know the economy depends on illegal labor), they're trying to provide the _appearance_ of solving the problem