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That’s one way to push generally law abiding, tax paying people into the black market where they won’t pay taxes, and have a higher likelihood of dabbling in cr
by ipv6ipv4 1y ago
That’s one way to push generally law abiding, tax paying people into the black market where they won’t pay taxes, and have a higher likelihood of dabbling in criminal enterprise.
- behringer 1y agoPerfect way to fill up the for-profit prisons and get that unpaid workforce that will replace all the migrants.
- criddell 1y agoDo the feds still use for-profit prisons?
- TimorousBestie 1y agoNo, but the feds still rent prisoners out for forced labor. The profits merely go to someone else.
- alistairSH 1y agoStopped via EO (Biden) in November 2022. Trump can easily start using them again, should he care to do so.
- esseph 1y agoMost if not all of those were revoked by Trump EOs.
- thanhhaimai 1y agoIn case you're serious about the question, the answer is a yes. Emphasis mine. > Seventy-five percent of the prisoners in U.S. Marshals custody are detained in state, local and _private_ facilities; the remainder are housed in Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) facilities. https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/prisoners/operation/custody-detention https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/prisoners/operation/cu... Here is another source: > The U.S. Marshals Service detains about 60,000 people a day who are awaiting federal trial or sentencing. While it doesn't operate jails, it does partner with public and private detention facilities. The service assesses detention conditions at these facilities. > We found shortcomings in its oversight. For example, many deputies who reviewed state and local facilities hadn't received required training. Additionally, some facilities didn't meet some standards for 3 years in a row, including food safety standards. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106348 https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106348
- jimt1234 1y agoHonest question: What is the plan for all these "illegals" once they're rounded up and sent to "Alligator Alcatraz" or whatever detention facility? Are they just gonna be held indefinitely? Is there gonna be some sort of court proceeding to determine their "legality"?
- tessierashpool 1y agono, they're (illegally) using a private intake system to bypass the courts.
- jimt1234 1y agoAnd I think their argument is that the detainees (the "illegal aliens") are not US citizens (according to them), therefore US laws and courts are not applicable.
- stouset 1y agoPlan?
- tastyface 1y agoSlave labor, perhaps: https://snyder.substack.com/p/concentration-camp-labor https://snyder.substack.com/p/concentration-camp-labor
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y agoThis seems like the most likely thing to me, in no small part that it’s already why American prisons exist in the first place.
- jeffbee 1y agoHonestly why are any of us paying taxes? The probability of future IRS enforcement has never been lower than it is right now.
- kevingadd 1y agoBeyond that, as we gradually slide towards having zero political representation and near-zero actual human rights, it becomes more and more questionable what we're getting for our tax dollars. The contract between the taxpayer and the government is being eroded.
- anonym29 1y agoThere is no contract between taxpayer and government. We use "the social contract" as a polite euphemism for the terms of tyranny we live under. Real contracts offer a chance for all signatories to consider the terms and the opportunity for either party to reject the terms and not be bound to them. You'll note that you never had the choice to decline "the social contract", because again, it wasn't a contract you agreed to, it was the terms of tyranny you were being made aware of.
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- nerevarthelame 1y agoThe IRS can audit a failure to file taxes without any time restriction. So if you think there's a decent chance that the US will ever again have a president that desires a functioning government, you should probably pay your taxes.
- davidw 1y agoBut the possibility for selective enforcement against perceived enemies of the state is still present.
- BobaFloutist 1y agoI've never paid taxes based on fear of enforcement.
- delusional 1y agoRepublicans would argue they are already dabbling in "criminal enterprise" by having trouble with ICE. You might then argue that "but they haven't been convicted" which is true, but you also know the republicans don't agree with that either.
- _petronius 1y agoBeing undocumented is a civil offense, not a criminal one. The distinction is relevant, and important.
- caseysoftware 1y agoUS Code appears to disagree: 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien (a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. Ref: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
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- criddell 1y agoWould that apply to dreamers (people who were brought into the US by their parents when they were minors)?
- klipt 1y agoDreamers are not protected by congressional law, they're protected by an Obama executive order (DACA). Which means that protection could be removed by Trump at the stroke of a pen. Dreamers really entirely on the moral compass of Trump...
- gjsman-1000 1y agoThe goal is to force self-deportation. Whether this will be successful is too early to say. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/27/immigrants-self-deportation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/27/immigrants-s... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/self-deportation-trump-immigration/683313/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/self-de... Edit for reply: As for the comparison with prohibition, I don't quite agree. The clampdown on CP, despite being just images and data as much as regular P, has thankfully been very successful. The government actually can clamp down on things, even purely digital information, when it has the will.
- ipv6ipv4 1y agoYes, and the goal of prohibition was to end alcohol consumption. Instead it cemented organized crime in America. There is an unmistakable hint of cognitive dissonance when the administration believes that the best way to get at "freeloading" illegal immigrants is through their taxes.
- mindslight 1y agoLike lighting your house on fire to get an unwanted party guest to leave. Going by the track record of their other so-called "plans" - no, this will not be successful.
- red-iron-pine 1y agothey're not doing it to be successful, they're doing it to create an unimpeachable internal security force
- drstewart 1y agoWhat other regulations do you think people should get to avoid under threat of not paying their taxes if forced to follow them?
- longfingers 1y agoA drug dealer who pays his taxes has committed less crimes than one who doesn't unless the IRS reports income to the DEA, then tax savings are a benefit of drug dealing as filing taxes becomes a violation of the 5th amendment.
- drstewart 1y agoThat's a great point, and I didn't think of that. Taxes should allow you to admit to any crimes with zero repercussions. If you list income from your child prostitution ring, it should be illegal to save the children because it violates the sanctity of CPA-client privilege.
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- longfingers 1y agoAh yes, think of the children is always a good way to defend a country of laws from becoming a defensless emotional wreck that has a future worthy of no child.
- const_cast 1y agoWhen in doubt just appeal to people's sense of morality by telling them children are getting touched or something.
- ipv6ipv4 1y agoI don't understand your convoluted question. In any case, I'm fairly certain it misses the point. Going after people via their taxes is not going to achieve the intended effect of kicking people out. Instead it will backfire in unintended ways, just like prohibition boosted and cemented organized crime in America.
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- arrosenberg 1y agoWhy should they have access? ICE has no legitimate use for citizens tax returns. We have a right to privacy.
- anonym29 1y agoJust to be clear, you're preaching to the choir. My preference would be for the entire intelligence community along with the rest of the entirety of the US federal government being dismantled as swiftly as is peacefully possible. That said, most people here do not agree with me, most are statists who fundamentally enjoy kissing a boot stamping on the face of human freedom, they just have the delusion that their tribe is the good one and they're engaged in a fundamentally righteous and just conquest to crush the evildoers in the other tribe. So we'll keep playing this stupid game where each side takes turns whacking the other side with the stick of government power, rather than acknowledging that we'd all be better off if we grew up, acted like adults, threw the stick away, and stopped taking turns trying to injure the other with it.
- troutwine 1y agoYou might find your rhetorical success is improved if you, in general, say what you mean instead of what you don't mean.
- arrosenberg 1y agoThis is a hopelessly naïve viewpoint. A strong, liberal federal government is the only guarantor of civil rights nationally. If you get rid of it, it won't be replaced by enlightened anarchism, it will be replaced by oligarchs like Peter Thiel and fundamentalist Christians who have no qualms about using violence to impose their morals on the rest of us.
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- eschulz 1y agoI completely agree that ICE, or anyone, having my tax info is a violation of my privacy and is of course total BS. However, as a legal worker in the US, I don't think ICE violating my privacy will push me toward the black market. Wouldn't moving from the legal workforce to the "black market" be a big risk on my part?
- MiguelX413 1y agoThey're obviously not talking about you.