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The tor network essentially relies on donated exit node bandwidth, and there's a finite capacity at any point in time. Torrenting is a bandwidth hog (and a lot

The tor network essentially relies on donated exit node bandwidth, and there's a finite capacity at any point in time. Torrenting is a bandwidth hog (and a lot of exit nodes will filter it out anyway)

noisem4ker 1y ago
Is it really just a matter of my bandwidth being hogged up, or more a risk of getting my IP address (range) banned, if not worse legal risks from activities being traced to me?
- immibis 1y ago
  You can't get banned because no one knows who you are. You can bring down the entire Tor network. Probably not you by yourself, but if enough people do it they can.
  - radlad 1y ago
    I believe OP was responding from the perspective of an exit node operator.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Exit nodes have to deal with much more severe things than copyright infringement. They regularly get raided by law enforcement for accusations of child porn and hacking, and have to defend themselves by pointing out they didn't originate the traffic. There's a whole bunch of tips out there about how to not go to jail for running an exit node (which is legal).
- deleted 1y ago
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- radlad 1y ago
  Yes, an exit node operator will appear as the source of the traffic, which can have legal repercussions. (Personal risk.) But on a macro scale, the entire Tor network has fairly limited bandwidth and torrenting is a very easy way to saturate it. (Existential risk to the network / tragedy of the commons)
- mhitza 1y ago
  You can use the I2P network for torrenting if that's what you want, as that kind of traffic is not frowned upon. Probably going to be slower than over the Tor network without any manual tweaking.
ajsnigrutin 1y ago
That's why some "tor-torrent" protocol should be invented, where data is sent via torrent network. There's still some bandwidth amplification, but as long as someone is seeding from within tor, the whole transfer could be done there. ...would also help with privacy and nasty telco letters.
- GoblinSlayer 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub
schmidtleonard 1y ago
> donated exit node bandwidth Hey, we pay $100B/yr of tax money into the NSA/CIA/etc budgets every year so they can run exit nodes among other activities, I wouldn't exactly call it donated
blackhaj7 1y ago
Thanks!

noisem4ker 1y ago

Is it really just a matter of my bandwidth being hogged up, or more a risk of getting my IP address (range) banned, if not worse legal risks from activities being traced to me?

immibis 1y ago
You can't get banned because no one knows who you are. You can bring down the entire Tor network. Probably not you by yourself, but if enough people do it they can.
- radlad 1y ago
  I believe OP was responding from the perspective of an exit node operator.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Exit nodes have to deal with much more severe things than copyright infringement. They regularly get raided by law enforcement for accusations of child porn and hacking, and have to defend themselves by pointing out they didn't originate the traffic. There's a whole bunch of tips out there about how to not go to jail for running an exit node (which is legal).
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radlad 1y ago
Yes, an exit node operator will appear as the source of the traffic, which can have legal repercussions. (Personal risk.) But on a macro scale, the entire Tor network has fairly limited bandwidth and torrenting is a very easy way to saturate it. (Existential risk to the network / tragedy of the commons)
mhitza 1y ago
You can use the I2P network for torrenting if that's what you want, as that kind of traffic is not frowned upon. Probably going to be slower than over the Tor network without any manual tweaking.

ajsnigrutin 1y ago

That's why some "tor-torrent" protocol should be invented, where data is sent via torrent network. There's still some bandwidth amplification, but as long as someone is seeding from within tor, the whole transfer could be done there. ...would also help with privacy and nasty telco letters.

GoblinSlayer 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub

schmidtleonard 1y ago

> donated exit node bandwidth Hey, we pay $100B/yr of tax money into the NSA/CIA/etc budgets every year so they can run exit nodes among other activities, I wouldn't exactly call it donated

blackhaj7 1y ago

Thanks!