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> If you use another browser today even if it does use Apple’s engine, Apple’s not making search revenue from Google. Yes, but this would limit the browser tec

> If you use another browser today even if it does use Apple’s engine, Apple’s not making search revenue from Google. Yes, but this would limit the browser technology to Apple's implementation, or lack there of. > Those apps are not going to the web. It's likely because the mobile browsers don't support enough graphics and lacking robust control features of native applications. > Third, if the only thing stopping great web apps is Apple ... Having wide browser support across all operating systems would definitely increase the adoption speed of new technologies. Remember how IE7 kept us back for years? That being said, a lot of people are bothered by Apple's success and would like to access to iOS ecosystem without paying anything to them.

scarface_74 1y ago
That still isn’t logical. If Apple is the only thing holding great web apps back, then why don’t companies just spend money on a web app + iOS app instead of also creating an Android app? Even if they did an iOS app + web app for Android, if it were just Apple, they would still save money on Android Play Store fees. But the truth is that browsers aren’t good enough on Android even though it is “open” [sic] and most Android phones sold are so underpowered that you have to make a native app to get any type of responsiveness. Having the Firefox engine or Chrome engine isn’t going to make it any better. If the alternate browsers that are on the Mac are any indication from both companies - they are going to be slower and less battery efficient.
- itopaloglu83 1y ago
  > Having the Firefox engine or Chrome engine isn’t going to make it any better. Nothing is going to change in the short term for sure. Users also prefer the responsive feeling of native apps in general, though progressive web apps might help slightly. I still believe that the EU started with the correct intentions with the DMA. They saw a need to increase the competition in the digital marketplace. However, it slowly turned into a public trial of Apple and transferring the ownership of iOS ecosystem to public domain almost.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    How will responsive web apps help when most Android users aren’t buying top of the line phones and app makers have to create a native app to get any type of responsiveness? Facebook for instance realized years ago that it would have to make real native apps to get decent performance instead of the app being a web wrapper.
    - itopaloglu83 1y ago
      I'm all for native apps. And you're right about the performance. PWA would only work for very simple stuff. The end-goal is to turn Apple into a pure hardware vendor so that they can get direct access to end-users.

scarface_74 1y ago

That still isn’t logical. If Apple is the only thing holding great web apps back, then why don’t companies just spend money on a web app + iOS app instead of also creating an Android app? Even if they did an iOS app + web app for Android, if it were just Apple, they would still save money on Android Play Store fees. But the truth is that browsers aren’t good enough on Android even though it is “open” [sic] and most Android phones sold are so underpowered that you have to make a native app to get any type of responsiveness. Having the Firefox engine or Chrome engine isn’t going to make it any better. If the alternate browsers that are on the Mac are any indication from both companies - they are going to be slower and less battery efficient.

itopaloglu83 1y ago
> Having the Firefox engine or Chrome engine isn’t going to make it any better. Nothing is going to change in the short term for sure. Users also prefer the responsive feeling of native apps in general, though progressive web apps might help slightly. I still believe that the EU started with the correct intentions with the DMA. They saw a need to increase the competition in the digital marketplace. However, it slowly turned into a public trial of Apple and transferring the ownership of iOS ecosystem to public domain almost.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  How will responsive web apps help when most Android users aren’t buying top of the line phones and app makers have to create a native app to get any type of responsiveness? Facebook for instance realized years ago that it would have to make real native apps to get decent performance instead of the app being a web wrapper.
  - itopaloglu83 1y ago
    I'm all for native apps. And you're right about the performance. PWA would only work for very simple stuff. The end-goal is to turn Apple into a pure hardware vendor so that they can get direct access to end-users.