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A month ago, the proposed NSF budget would shut down one of the two LIGO observatories in the US, wrecking its ability to triangulate the location of events suc

by kens 1y ago

A month ago, the proposed NSF budget would shut down one of the two LIGO observatories in the US, wrecking its ability to triangulate the location of events such as this black hole merger. A shutdown would also severely damage the noise margins and detection rate. Does anyone know if the shutdown is still planned? (I couldn't find any recent info.) https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-s-proposed-cut-giant-physics-experiment-could-snuff-out-new-form-astronomy https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-s-proposed-cut...

ac794 1y ago
I believe the proposed budget is being marked up tomorrow (July 15th, 12:00). Currently the NSF budget is set to be ~$7 billion, a 23% cut compared to FY2025. I'm not sure how this affects LIGO exactly. https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-appropriations.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/fy26-commerce%2C-justice%2C-science%2C-and-related-agencies-bill-summary-subcommittee.pdf https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republic...
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  I had read something less recent than what you posted, but in that is said about 40% of ligo funding would be cut https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-s-proposed-cut-giant-physics-experiment-could-snuff-out-new-form-astronomy https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-s-proposed-cut... Then again, your file has less drastic reductions on nsf budget so who knows what would be the impact on ligo
  - bee_rider 1y ago
    I wonder why Bezos doesn’t just pick up the tab, he likes space, right?
- jedberg 1y ago
  > I believe the proposed budget is being marked up tomorrow (July 15th, 12:00) Interesting that they break this news today. Props to them for playing the game.
amarcheschi 1y ago
I was last week at an event in Pisa at virgo ego (basically ligo's cousin). It was to celebrate the 10th anniversary of finding gravitational waves iirc. There were an actress reading from the book the director of the Italian program wrote accompanied by the sound of waves made with sax. I can't describe it with words but it was truly moving. There were also moments dedicated to interviewing a science communicator and the director of the virgo center, and he was, let's say, quite angry at the thought of ligo losing funding. Rightfully so
TMEHpodcast 1y ago
Keep an eye on whether the final FY 2026 appropriations bill keeps LIGO at two sites. Until then, it’s a real risk, but salvageable.
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BurningFrog 1y ago
So maybe that is why this discovery from 2023 gets published right now.
- gus_massa 1y ago
  I think all the previous events were announced with a big delay. They have a long pipeline of checks. The signals have too much noise and it's difficult not to cheat and find fake signals in the noise. IIRC they even have a team that adds secretly fake signals to ensure the pipeline is working and after it's detected the team disclose if it's real or fake, before publication.
robin_reala 1y ago
Given that there’s a handful of gravitational-wave observatories running globally at this point, why does the closure of one LIGO wreck triangulation?
- agos 1y ago
  the collaboration to be able to triangulate is composed of LIGO, Virgo and now KAGRA. KAGRA is not yet fully ready for longer observation runs, so for now it's basically LIGO and Virgo - and if you take offline one of three, triangulation becomes nearly useless
  - robin_reala 1y ago
    Looking at their Grafana dashboard, it looks like GEO600 and KAGRA are both observing? https://online.ligo.org/grafana/public-dashboards/1a0efabe65384a7287abfcc1996e4c4d?orgId=1&refresh=5s https://online.ligo.org/grafana/public-dashboards/1a0efabe65...
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by kens 1y ago

ac794 1y ago

I believe the proposed budget is being marked up tomorrow (July 15th, 12:00). Currently the NSF budget is set to be ~$7 billion, a 23% cut compared to FY2025. I'm not sure how this affects LIGO exactly. https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-appropriations.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/fy26-commerce%2C-justice%2C-science%2C-and-related-agencies-bill-summary-subcommittee.pdf https://appropriations.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republic...

amarcheschi 1y ago
I had read something less recent than what you posted, but in that is said about 40% of ligo funding would be cut https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-s-proposed-cut-giant-physics-experiment-could-snuff-out-new-form-astronomy https://www.science.org/content/article/trump-s-proposed-cut... Then again, your file has less drastic reductions on nsf budget so who knows what would be the impact on ligo
- bee_rider 1y ago
  I wonder why Bezos doesn’t just pick up the tab, he likes space, right?
jedberg 1y ago
> I believe the proposed budget is being marked up tomorrow (July 15th, 12:00) Interesting that they break this news today. Props to them for playing the game.

amarcheschi 1y ago

I was last week at an event in Pisa at virgo ego (basically ligo's cousin). It was to celebrate the 10th anniversary of finding gravitational waves iirc. There were an actress reading from the book the director of the Italian program wrote accompanied by the sound of waves made with sax. I can't describe it with words but it was truly moving. There were also moments dedicated to interviewing a science communicator and the director of the virgo center, and he was, let's say, quite angry at the thought of ligo losing funding. Rightfully so

TMEHpodcast 1y ago

Keep an eye on whether the final FY 2026 appropriations bill keeps LIGO at two sites. Until then, it’s a real risk, but salvageable.

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BurningFrog 1y ago

So maybe that is why this discovery from 2023 gets published right now.

gus_massa 1y ago
I think all the previous events were announced with a big delay. They have a long pipeline of checks. The signals have too much noise and it's difficult not to cheat and find fake signals in the noise. IIRC they even have a team that adds secretly fake signals to ensure the pipeline is working and after it's detected the team disclose if it's real or fake, before publication.

robin_reala 1y ago

Given that there’s a handful of gravitational-wave observatories running globally at this point, why does the closure of one LIGO wreck triangulation?

agos 1y ago
the collaboration to be able to triangulate is composed of LIGO, Virgo and now KAGRA. KAGRA is not yet fully ready for longer observation runs, so for now it's basically LIGO and Virgo - and if you take offline one of three, triangulation becomes nearly useless
- robin_reala 1y ago
  Looking at their Grafana dashboard, it looks like GEO600 and KAGRA are both observing? https://online.ligo.org/grafana/public-dashboards/1a0efabe65384a7287abfcc1996e4c4d?orgId=1&refresh=5s https://online.ligo.org/grafana/public-dashboards/1a0efabe65...
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