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Tracking the vehicles registered to illegal immigrants shouldn't be a controversial subject

GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
do we track the vehicles of people cited for jaywalking? because "illegal immigration" is mainly a civil offense, not a criminal offense.
- newfriend 1y ago
  is the penalty for jaywalking deportation? are jaywalkers not authorized to be in the United States? Also a large proportion of illegal aliens crossed the border illegally. Which therefore makes them criminals, since improper entry is a federal crime.
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    "The two laws were the Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour, which forbade marriages and extramarital intercourse between Jews and Germans and the employment of German females under 45 in Jewish households; and the Reich Citizenship Law, which declared that only those of German or related blood were eligible to be Reich citizens." The Gestapo was only enforcing the law! Intermarriages were illegal. Which therefore made the Jews criminals, since violating race laws was a federal crime.
  - GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
    > Also a large proportion of illegal aliens crossed the border illegally. Which therefore makes them criminals, since improper entry is a federal crime. that must be proven on a case-by-case basis and is impossible to determine by visual observation alone.
DudeOpotomus 1y ago
True. They also do not hold insurance and typically do not have drivers licenses. Although CA will give one to anyone with a pulse... Having been hit twice by non-insured, non-licensed drivers with no paperwork or legal status, they got off free while I had to pay for their crimes, damage and increased insurance rates for years. No sympathy at all for cheaters. Arrest them and confiscate their cars.
ted_dunning 1y ago
How about tracking the vehicles of people who are subject to retribution for political reasons? How about tracking the vehicles of people who have similar names as supposedly illegal immigrants? How about tracking the vehicles of people who are legal immigrants?
- jahewson 1y ago
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  - Tostino 1y ago
    What a persecution complex you have. Those people should have been locked up for a lot longer than they ended up, along with the "leadership" which caused it.
  - ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
    > How about tracking the vehicles of people who are subject to retribution for political reasons? You mean like insurrectionist rebels carrying the battle flag of a long defeated enemy of the US? There. FTFY.
saubeidl 1y ago
First they came for the illegal immigrants and I did not speak out, because I was not an illegal immigrant. Then they came for the legal immigrants they didn't like and I did not speak out, because I was not a legal immigrant. [0] Then they came for their political enemies [1] and I did not speak up, because I was not their political enemy. Then they came for me - and there was noone left to speak for me. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/trump-zohran-mamdani-citizenship https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/trump-zohran... [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-lock-her-up-chant-hillary-clinton-225916 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-lock-her-up-...
const_cast 1y ago
Sigh. It's controversial because: 1. It's impossible to track X for only one group. In order to know who is in that group, and who is not, you need to be tracking more than that, necessarily. Meaning, if you want to track which vehicles belong to "illegal immigrants", you need to know which vehicles belong to citizens. That means YOU. You are not exempt from this data collection. 2. This data can, and will, be used for evil. Anyone who believes that governments will always act in benevolence are, frankly, stupid. You're not stupid, are you? Okay, then you should be beginning to see the problem here. 3. Even IF the government always acts benevolently, and that's a huge fucking if, that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. Even if you are innocent, there is a risk here! Who is to say you won't accidentally be identified as an "illegal immigrant"? Is that a risk you're willing to take? For me, that risk is absolutely unacceptable - especially considering the sheer incompetence of our law enforcement agencies and the current administration. I mean, our country is currently being run by drunkards and yes-men. Do you really trust these imbeciles to never make a mistake, ever? No, right? They've already made quiet a few mistakes, right? Remember the whole Signal thing? Yeah. You have to look at the big picture here. You're advocating for a system that requires an absolutely unbelievable amount of trust in order to run properly. Do you really, truly, not see the flaws in that?

do we track the vehicles of people cited for jaywalking? because "illegal immigration" is mainly a civil offense, not a criminal offense.

newfriend 1y ago
is the penalty for jaywalking deportation? are jaywalkers not authorized to be in the United States? Also a large proportion of illegal aliens crossed the border illegally. Which therefore makes them criminals, since improper entry is a federal crime.
- saubeidl 1y ago
  "The two laws were the Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour, which forbade marriages and extramarital intercourse between Jews and Germans and the employment of German females under 45 in Jewish households; and the Reich Citizenship Law, which declared that only those of German or related blood were eligible to be Reich citizens." The Gestapo was only enforcing the law! Intermarriages were illegal. Which therefore made the Jews criminals, since violating race laws was a federal crime.
- GuinansEyebrows 1y ago
  > Also a large proportion of illegal aliens crossed the border illegally. Which therefore makes them criminals, since improper entry is a federal crime. that must be proven on a case-by-case basis and is impossible to determine by visual observation alone.

DudeOpotomus 1y ago

True. They also do not hold insurance and typically do not have drivers licenses. Although CA will give one to anyone with a pulse... Having been hit twice by non-insured, non-licensed drivers with no paperwork or legal status, they got off free while I had to pay for their crimes, damage and increased insurance rates for years. No sympathy at all for cheaters. Arrest them and confiscate their cars.

ted_dunning 1y ago

How about tracking the vehicles of people who are subject to retribution for political reasons? How about tracking the vehicles of people who have similar names as supposedly illegal immigrants? How about tracking the vehicles of people who are legal immigrants?

jahewson 1y ago
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- Tostino 1y ago
  What a persecution complex you have. Those people should have been locked up for a lot longer than they ended up, along with the "leadership" which caused it.
- ThrowMeAway1618 1y ago
  > How about tracking the vehicles of people who are subject to retribution for political reasons? You mean like insurrectionist rebels carrying the battle flag of a long defeated enemy of the US? There. FTFY.

saubeidl 1y ago

First they came for the illegal immigrants and I did not speak out, because I was not an illegal immigrant. Then they came for the legal immigrants they didn't like and I did not speak out, because I was not a legal immigrant. [0] Then they came for their political enemies [1] and I did not speak up, because I was not their political enemy. Then they came for me - and there was noone left to speak for me. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/trump-zohran-mamdani-citizenship https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/01/trump-zohran... [1] https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-lock-her-up-chant-hillary-clinton-225916 https://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/rnc-2016-lock-her-up-...

const_cast 1y ago

Sigh. It's controversial because: 1. It's impossible to track X for only one group. In order to know who is in that group, and who is not, you need to be tracking more than that, necessarily. Meaning, if you want to track which vehicles belong to "illegal immigrants", you need to know which vehicles belong to citizens. That means YOU. You are not exempt from this data collection. 2. This data can, and will, be used for evil. Anyone who believes that governments will always act in benevolence are, frankly, stupid. You're not stupid, are you? Okay, then you should be beginning to see the problem here. 3. Even IF the government always acts benevolently, and that's a huge fucking if, that doesn't mean they don't make mistakes. Even if you are innocent, there is a risk here! Who is to say you won't accidentally be identified as an "illegal immigrant"? Is that a risk you're willing to take? For me, that risk is absolutely unacceptable - especially considering the sheer incompetence of our law enforcement agencies and the current administration. I mean, our country is currently being run by drunkards and yes-men. Do you really trust these imbeciles to never make a mistake, ever? No, right? They've already made quiet a few mistakes, right? Remember the whole Signal thing? Yeah. You have to look at the big picture here. You're advocating for a system that requires an absolutely unbelievable amount of trust in order to run properly. Do you really, truly, not see the flaws in that?