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Crime did not rose, crime has been in a downward trajectory for decades, this is likely one of the reasons the crackdown on illegal immigrants is so bad, prison
by mlinhares 1y ago
Crime did not rose, crime has been in a downward trajectory for decades, this is likely one of the reasons the crackdown on illegal immigrants is so bad, prison owners are noticing they might lose their cash cow and needs a new population to imprison.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> Crime did not rose Murders didn’t rise. Petty crime and open-air drug use absolutely did. > prison owners are noticing they might lose their cash cow This is nonsense.
- AnimalMuppet 1y agoIn addition to what JumpCrisscross said, illegal immigrants are not going to be long-term prison population; they're going to be deported. (At least, that's the campaign promise.) So I don't see how that benefits prison owners.
- ceejayoz 1y agohttps://www.npr.org/2025/06/04/nx-s1-5417980/private-prisons-and-local-jails-are-ramping-up-as-ice-detention-exceeds-capacity https://www.npr.org/2025/06/04/nx-s1-5417980/private-prisons... > Nearly 90% of people in ICE custody are held in facilities run by for-profit, private companies. Two of the largest, Geo Group and CoreCivic, are working to increase their ability to meet the administration's demand. CoreCivic used to be called the "Corrections Corporation of America". GEO Group used to be "Wackenhut Corrections Corporation". It should be unsurprising that the folks who make money building and running large, secure facilities to detain people would be interested in doing the same for ICE.
- JumpCrisscross 1y agoOh yeah, they benefit. What I’m calling nonsense is the idea that Geo Group is the reason Stephen Miller is in charge. There are more fundamental roots to the anti-immigrant agenda than a convenient corporate bogeyman.
- ceejayoz 1y agoI'm onboard with that. I'd imagine they do their fair share of lobbying and "crime scary!" PR, though.
- mlinhares 1y agoThe administration is already talking about indentured labor and slavery, these will soon be work camps where the prison owners will rent the labor to farm and industries.
- loeg 1y agoCrime rose significantly in the US over ~2020-2022 or 2023. It was on a downward trend before 2020 and is on a downward trend since 2022/2023. But you can't ignore that period.
- ceejayoz 1y agoDid anything else happen around 2020 that might be a confounding variable? (We see similar crime trends in other countries without BLM/George Floyd/police reform movements during that time period.)
- mlinhares 1y agoIt is almost as if something world shattering had happened in between those years.
- loeg 1y agoI don't know what point you're trying to make. Yes, obviously it's covid-related. So what? It can't be ignored.
- ceejayoz 1y agoBut you can largely ignore it. It was a relatively short term small blip in a decades long trend in the right direction, with a clearly rare and unusual cause. Interesting to historians and public policy folks. Outside of that, the pearl clutching about it probably did more damage than the spike itself.
- loeg 1y agoI mean, the comment I'm replying to by mlinhares is explicitly claiming crime did not rise during ~that specific period in response to a comment by JumpCrisscross claiming it did during ~that specific period. mlinhares is just wrong here. I'm glad the broader trend is that crime is improving, but there was actually a blip upwards in ~covid times, and JumpCrisscross is correct that Dems in charge during that time were punished for it.