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An Orwellian version of autonomous car theft: "PriusBot has detected you are not authorised to use this vehicle. In accordance with law XYZ-00A, you are now be

An Orwellian version of autonomous car theft: "PriusBot has detected you are not authorised to use this vehicle. In accordance with law XYZ-00A, you are now being driven to the nearest police station as a precaution."

sliverstorm 14y ago
It gets more Orwellian than that: "PriusBot has detected you have been classified as a public menace. In accordance with statute XYZ-00N, you are now being driven off the nearest bridge."
- icebraining 14y ago
  No, an Orwellian state wouldn't kill you before you became sane.
- dvdhsu 14y ago
  This could actually be a serious concern. By riding in a self-driving car, we're putting our life directly in to a machine's hands. Of course, this isn't very new: pacemakers, for example, are controlled by computers. They can be reprogrammed, but only when you're physically near the target [1]. But a self-driving car would almost inevitably be connected to a network: an central computer could algorithmically control where all the cars are, where they're moving, how fast they're doing it, and basically make accidents nonexistent; such a system would be enormously beneficial to society at large. Yet, the downside is that all the cars are connected to a network, which an attacker could use to, as you say, send the target "off the nearest bridge". 1. http://www.secure-medicine.org/icd-study/icd-study.pdf http://www.secure-medicine.org/icd-study/icd-study.pdf
  - 001sky 14y ago
    Yes, some of these networks hackable.[1] Our investigation shows that an implantable cardioverter defibrillator (1) is potentially susceptible to malicious attacks that violate the privacy of patient information and medical telemetry, and (2) may experience malicious alteration to the integrity of information or state, including patient data and therapy settings for when and how shocks are administered. Moreover, standard approaches for security and access control may not always be suitable for IMDs due to tensions between security (e.g., access for pre-authorized parties only) and safety (e.g., access for previously unauthorized parties in emergency circumstances) Nsa will have e911 equivalent and warrantable backdoor to anything DMV/govt approved, though one would think. [1] Some physical design limits were cpu and power, plus other operational concerns.
ThePherocity 14y ago
Since nothing about that is totalitarian at all, I don't think the term Orwellian is correct. Having computers recognize us and authorize or authenticate is solely at the whim of the consumer. It becomes Orwellian when the government demands that government controlled sensors be included in every car.
- 001sky 14y ago
  The US has alterted a few folks in the middle east they they were [Unauthorized] to [drive their vehicle] any longer, because they were on bad terms with the NSA. Try adding [Predator Drone] and [Targeted by Hellfire Missle] into the same sentence.
  - ThePherocity 14y ago
    Again, that may be an act of war, but since it's not against it's own people, it's not Orwellian.
    - 001sky 14y ago
      It becomes Orwellian when the government demands that government controlled sensors be included in every car. Apr 19, 2012 – A bill passed in the U.S. Senate would require black boxes to be installed in all new cars sold in the U.S. by 2015
brc 14y ago
PriusBot would be unable to do much about being loaded on a tilt-tray, taken to a chop-shop and relieved of the various sensors, air bags, catalytic converters and body panels.
- jrockway 14y ago
  Not to mention a hit from Mr. Short Circuit: http://ameblo.jp/ishinkaia/image-10951939627-11353773528.html http://ameblo.jp/ishinkaia/image-10951939627-11353773528.htm...
- unwind 14y ago
  Only until someone arms the bot, by installing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_%28flamethrower%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_%28flamethrower%29.

sliverstorm 14y ago

It gets more Orwellian than that: "PriusBot has detected you have been classified as a public menace. In accordance with statute XYZ-00N, you are now being driven off the nearest bridge."

icebraining 14y ago
No, an Orwellian state wouldn't kill you before you became sane.
dvdhsu 14y ago
This could actually be a serious concern. By riding in a self-driving car, we're putting our life directly in to a machine's hands. Of course, this isn't very new: pacemakers, for example, are controlled by computers. They can be reprogrammed, but only when you're physically near the target [1]. But a self-driving car would almost inevitably be connected to a network: an central computer could algorithmically control where all the cars are, where they're moving, how fast they're doing it, and basically make accidents nonexistent; such a system would be enormously beneficial to society at large. Yet, the downside is that all the cars are connected to a network, which an attacker could use to, as you say, send the target "off the nearest bridge". 1. http://www.secure-medicine.org/icd-study/icd-study.pdf http://www.secure-medicine.org/icd-study/icd-study.pdf
- 001sky 14y ago
  Yes, some of these networks hackable.[1] Our investigation shows that an implantable cardioverter defibrillator (1) is potentially susceptible to malicious attacks that violate the privacy of patient information and medical telemetry, and (2) may experience malicious alteration to the integrity of information or state, including patient data and therapy settings for when and how shocks are administered. Moreover, standard approaches for security and access control may not always be suitable for IMDs due to tensions between security (e.g., access for pre-authorized parties only) and safety (e.g., access for previously unauthorized parties in emergency circumstances) Nsa will have e911 equivalent and warrantable backdoor to anything DMV/govt approved, though one would think. [1] Some physical design limits were cpu and power, plus other operational concerns.

ThePherocity 14y ago

Since nothing about that is totalitarian at all, I don't think the term Orwellian is correct. Having computers recognize us and authorize or authenticate is solely at the whim of the consumer. It becomes Orwellian when the government demands that government controlled sensors be included in every car.

001sky 14y ago
The US has alterted a few folks in the middle east they they were [Unauthorized] to [drive their vehicle] any longer, because they were on bad terms with the NSA. Try adding [Predator Drone] and [Targeted by Hellfire Missle] into the same sentence.
- ThePherocity 14y ago
  Again, that may be an act of war, but since it's not against it's own people, it's not Orwellian.
  - 001sky 14y ago
    It becomes Orwellian when the government demands that government controlled sensors be included in every car. Apr 19, 2012 – A bill passed in the U.S. Senate would require black boxes to be installed in all new cars sold in the U.S. by 2015

brc 14y ago

PriusBot would be unable to do much about being loaded on a tilt-tray, taken to a chop-shop and relieved of the various sensors, air bags, catalytic converters and body panels.

jrockway 14y ago
Not to mention a hit from Mr. Short Circuit: http://ameblo.jp/ishinkaia/image-10951939627-11353773528.html http://ameblo.jp/ishinkaia/image-10951939627-11353773528.htm...
unwind 14y ago
Only until someone arms the bot, by installing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_%28flamethrower%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_%28flamethrower%29.