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Ostrom: "the ones that worked did have a kind of property rights system" LOL. And the fact that she gets a Nobel Prize for this shows how unworkable it is in g

Ostrom: "the ones that worked did have a kind of property rights system" LOL. And the fact that she gets a Nobel Prize for this shows how unworkable it is in general. > we're not inherently selfish You're selfish, so am I, so is everyone you know. > free markets don't work in any rate. how do you even come to this conclusion? The success of free markets in the US, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Singapore, etc. Worker cooperatives: A worker cooperative is not a commune. In any case, there are what, a hundred examples listed? What that shows is they are so rare that a global list can be compiled on Wikipedia. Set that against the scores of millions of businesses.

RamblingCTO 1y ago
> You're selfish, so am I, so is everyone you know. you can ignore the evidence all you want. Doesn't make it correct. Google it for yourself then. > The success of free markets in the US, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Singapore, etc. how have they succeeded? enshittification and wealth accumulation is success? what's the metric here? decreased health? decreased lifespan? increased addiction? increased unhappiness? > Worker cooperatives: A worker cooperative is not a commune. Let me quote the discussion, which you obviously didn't even understand: >> I've tried to start multiple non-heirarchical anarchist cooperative organizations and the number one challenge is finding people who will put the group ahead of the individual. It just doesn't happen. > I could have saved you the trouble if you'd just asked me! > Over 20,000 communes have been started in the US. None have survived. What baffles me is why people keep believing they can work. they talked about cooperatives, you answered with communes. I gave proof that cooperatives work. do better.
- WalterBright 1y ago
  > how have they succeeded? Bootstrapping poor people up into the middle class and beyond. > they talked about cooperatives, you answered with communes You score that point! > I gave proof that cooperatives work So go start one. What are you waiting for?

RamblingCTO 1y ago

> You're selfish, so am I, so is everyone you know. you can ignore the evidence all you want. Doesn't make it correct. Google it for yourself then. > The success of free markets in the US, Germany, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Vietnam, China, Singapore, etc. how have they succeeded? enshittification and wealth accumulation is success? what's the metric here? decreased health? decreased lifespan? increased addiction? increased unhappiness? > Worker cooperatives: A worker cooperative is not a commune. Let me quote the discussion, which you obviously didn't even understand: >> I've tried to start multiple non-heirarchical anarchist cooperative organizations and the number one challenge is finding people who will put the group ahead of the individual. It just doesn't happen. > I could have saved you the trouble if you'd just asked me! > Over 20,000 communes have been started in the US. None have survived. What baffles me is why people keep believing they can work. they talked about cooperatives, you answered with communes. I gave proof that cooperatives work. do better.

WalterBright 1y ago
> how have they succeeded? Bootstrapping poor people up into the middle class and beyond. > they talked about cooperatives, you answered with communes You score that point! > I gave proof that cooperatives work So go start one. What are you waiting for?