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> The simple fact that they restrict this to the EU, where they are forced to provide the option, shows that Apple is not serious about this. They're barely ful

> The simple fact that they restrict this to the EU, where they are forced to provide the option, shows that Apple is not serious about this. They're barely fulfilling the letter of the law here. Apple may or (more likely) may not be complying in terms of allowing third party browser engines, but I don't see how you can argue that not implementing this _outside_ the EU fails to comply with EU law (which applies _inside_ the EU). That's not to say they shouldn't allow this elsewhere (although it will just cement the Chrome monopoly - actually _decreasing_ competition and solidifying the incumbent's position) but I don't think you can argue that this law requires them to do that.

fabian2k 1y ago
I'm not saying this is against the law, but it is clear that Apple only moves exactly as far as the EU forces it to, not a bit more. And within the limits the law allows, they're doing everything they can to make it tedious and difficult to actually get alternative apps stores or browser engines on their OS.
- sealeck 1y ago
  > it is clear that Apple only moves exactly as far as the EU forces it to I don't think this is a secret - Apple publicly opposes these kinds of laws. > And within the limits the law allows, they're doing everything they can to make it tedious and difficult to actually get alternative apps stores or browser engines on their OS. Sure, it's unclear what the EU can do to oppose this though. If they push too far they risk invoking the wrath of the much more powerful US government.
  - blibble 1y ago
    > If they push too far they risk invoking the wrath of the much more powerful US government. what is it going to do? threaten massive tariffs then retreat? repeatedly?
  - lillecarl 1y ago
    The EU does not risk invoking the "wrath" of the "much more powerful" US government by telling Apple to stop abusing it's customers, market and developers. You have progressive states passing similar legislation as the EU within the US so I bet they'll be getting the firm hand first if anything.
    - mrkstu 1y ago
      If states get too onerous the Feds will pass similar, very much less restrictive legislation, which will have the effect of nullifying state legislation due to federal supremacy.
    - sealeck 1y ago
      The US government doesn't really take kindly to other states trying to reign in its companies. This is something that has bipartisan support. Even American politicians who support regulating Apple, only support _them_ doing this. Is this good? No. But it's also how Europe treats other countries. Basically: think about what France would do if Mozambique ejected or otherwise restrained Total -- that's roughly what Americans would do. https://www.politico.eu/article/victory-eu-donald-trump-meta-tax-digital/ https://www.politico.eu/article/victory-eu-donald-trump-meta...

fabian2k 1y ago

I'm not saying this is against the law, but it is clear that Apple only moves exactly as far as the EU forces it to, not a bit more. And within the limits the law allows, they're doing everything they can to make it tedious and difficult to actually get alternative apps stores or browser engines on their OS.

sealeck 1y ago
> it is clear that Apple only moves exactly as far as the EU forces it to I don't think this is a secret - Apple publicly opposes these kinds of laws. > And within the limits the law allows, they're doing everything they can to make it tedious and difficult to actually get alternative apps stores or browser engines on their OS. Sure, it's unclear what the EU can do to oppose this though. If they push too far they risk invoking the wrath of the much more powerful US government.
- blibble 1y ago
  > If they push too far they risk invoking the wrath of the much more powerful US government. what is it going to do? threaten massive tariffs then retreat? repeatedly?
- lillecarl 1y ago
  The EU does not risk invoking the "wrath" of the "much more powerful" US government by telling Apple to stop abusing it's customers, market and developers. You have progressive states passing similar legislation as the EU within the US so I bet they'll be getting the firm hand first if anything.
  - mrkstu 1y ago
    If states get too onerous the Feds will pass similar, very much less restrictive legislation, which will have the effect of nullifying state legislation due to federal supremacy.
  - sealeck 1y ago
    The US government doesn't really take kindly to other states trying to reign in its companies. This is something that has bipartisan support. Even American politicians who support regulating Apple, only support _them_ doing this. Is this good? No. But it's also how Europe treats other countries. Basically: think about what France would do if Mozambique ejected or otherwise restrained Total -- that's roughly what Americans would do. https://www.politico.eu/article/victory-eu-donald-trump-meta-tax-digital/ https://www.politico.eu/article/victory-eu-donald-trump-meta...