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>and this was at Vietnam's equivalent of JHU. I mean, you could change some trivial details and end up with a valid description of JHU. How much is tuition in

>and this was at Vietnam's equivalent of JHU. I mean, you could change some trivial details and end up with a valid description of JHU. How much is tuition in Vietnam? There're your "gifts". And so on. What language was "replication crisis" initially coined in? (No, for real, I don't know.)

alephnerd 1y ago
> How much is tuition in Vietnam Public medical school tuition is around $3-6k per year in a country where most households aren't earning above $300/mo, financial aid is nonexistent, and "student loans" for the middle class means going to some tattooed chain smoker jeweler who pounds Ruou San Dinh like water and demands double digit interest rates. > you could change some trivial details and end up with a valid description of JHU You don't have JHU students (or any Western medical students) moonlighting as unlicensed doctors under their professors working license and giving them a $200-500/mo cut. This is fairly common at UMP Hanoi and HCMC, let alone lower tier programs. You also don't need to pay a $1-3k bribe in speed money to get your working license in the US. --------- There's a reason my SO immigrated abroad like a lot of her peers - if you don't have the right connections or enough money (black or white), you will not succeed in Vietnam. Thao Dien, Landmark 81, Sunrise City, and D1 is not representative of middle class Vietnam - neighborhoods like D10 and Phu Nhuan is.
- underlipton 1y ago
  American medical school tuition is $40k-$70k a year, median monthly household income is about $6.5k. Meanwhile, median household income in Vietnam is actually closer to $650 a month; the population of households earning the lowest amount is quite high, but ~75% of Vietnamese households earn more than $400 a month. But then, most US households aren't sending their kids to medical school in the US; the income of your average medical student's family is significantly higher than the median here. I'll assume the same is true in Vietnam. Though, if not, and doctors are instead coming from a much more representative sample of the population, good on them; it's better than we've managed. The differences are colorful but seem to represent a front-loading of obstacles that the US medical education system spreads out on the back end. And there's no higher-earning market to try to get to from here in order to make the math work. FWIW, the point here is not to lionize Vietnam's system, but to point out how embarrassing that there are any comparisons to be drawn at all between how their schools and one as "prestigious" as JHU operate. And, per the original post I replied to, there are. Shot: https://www.google.com/search?q=jhu%20retracted%20study https://www.google.com/search?q=jhu%20retracted%20study Chaser: https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/education/higher-education/johns-hopkins-settlement-wealthy-student-lawsuit-M3TVBDVCZJE6FPU2AQZ777Q6PI/ https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/education/higher-educatio...

alephnerd 1y ago

> How much is tuition in Vietnam Public medical school tuition is around $3-6k per year in a country where most households aren't earning above $300/mo, financial aid is nonexistent, and "student loans" for the middle class means going to some tattooed chain smoker jeweler who pounds Ruou San Dinh like water and demands double digit interest rates. > you could change some trivial details and end up with a valid description of JHU You don't have JHU students (or any Western medical students) moonlighting as unlicensed doctors under their professors working license and giving them a $200-500/mo cut. This is fairly common at UMP Hanoi and HCMC, let alone lower tier programs. You also don't need to pay a $1-3k bribe in speed money to get your working license in the US. --------- There's a reason my SO immigrated abroad like a lot of her peers - if you don't have the right connections or enough money (black or white), you will not succeed in Vietnam. Thao Dien, Landmark 81, Sunrise City, and D1 is not representative of middle class Vietnam - neighborhoods like D10 and Phu Nhuan is.

underlipton 1y ago
American medical school tuition is $40k-$70k a year, median monthly household income is about $6.5k. Meanwhile, median household income in Vietnam is actually closer to $650 a month; the population of households earning the lowest amount is quite high, but ~75% of Vietnamese households earn more than $400 a month. But then, most US households aren't sending their kids to medical school in the US; the income of your average medical student's family is significantly higher than the median here. I'll assume the same is true in Vietnam. Though, if not, and doctors are instead coming from a much more representative sample of the population, good on them; it's better than we've managed. The differences are colorful but seem to represent a front-loading of obstacles that the US medical education system spreads out on the back end. And there's no higher-earning market to try to get to from here in order to make the math work. FWIW, the point here is not to lionize Vietnam's system, but to point out how embarrassing that there are any comparisons to be drawn at all between how their schools and one as "prestigious" as JHU operate. And, per the original post I replied to, there are. Shot: https://www.google.com/search?q=jhu%20retracted%20study https://www.google.com/search?q=jhu%20retracted%20study Chaser: https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/education/higher-education/johns-hopkins-settlement-wealthy-student-lawsuit-M3TVBDVCZJE6FPU2AQZ777Q6PI/ https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/education/higher-educatio...