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it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. if they can control the ISPs and observe pac
by coderatlarge 1y ago
it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. if they can control the ISPs and observe packet flows then they can just obstruct any connection they cannot conclusively prove is acceptable.
it seems then that store-and-forward ad hoc p2p (ie extremely high unpredictable latency) is the only option for those who can reach some node with a connection to the outside (maybe laser near the border). or perhaps really clever steganography with outside partners assisting.
- baby_souffle 1y ago> it seems to me that a nation determined to control wired network traffic within its borders cannot be circumvented. Starlink/Kuiper and the geostationary satellites are an alternative. Not perfect... but far better than *nothing*
- coderatlarge 1y agoi believe the base stations for those can be triangulated leading to knocks on the for for unsanctioned traffic.
- bigfatkitten 1y agoNone of the major mobile satellite networks work without the terminal’s position being known.
- robertlagrant 1y ago> Starlink Only when (if) Stalink removes the need for base stations and just sends the traffic directly between satellites.
- ACCount36 1y agoIt already does that. That's how Starlink works over the ocean.
- coderatlarge 1y agodoes that mean the authorities can’t locate someone transmitting or receiving to/from starlink? in many places the consequences of detection could be dire…
- ACCount36 1y agoNo. The links between the satellites are lasers, but the user traffic still goes up and down over radio. You still need the Starlink coverage to be enabled on system level, and the local government to care enough to track down Starlink users at the same time. I can't imagine that there are many countries that meet both criteria.
- coderatlarge 1y agoi believe countries with major firewalls and vpn blocking policies would track down and make examples of a set of users periodically if only to deter others.
- robertlagrant 1y agoOh, cool. I haven't kept up to date. That's amazing.
- ashoeafoot 1y agoThere is also the travelling salesman hauling in external culture like games and movies via SSD. Wish there was a protocoll to deaddrop large file requests smuggled into a country.
- coderatlarge 1y agoyes massive store-and-forward :)