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You can. Just like everyone can use a good password. Yet many dont. Also there is a good reason not to make week 1 in person. You reduce your access to talent.

You can. Just like everyone can use a good password. Yet many dont. Also there is a good reason not to make week 1 in person. You reduce your access to talent. I know we are in the everyone RTO and do 100hrs a week part of the BSiness cycle. But still.

ryandrake 1y ago
Workers are currently in a bear market. No company has problems “accessing” talent, at least today. They aren’t going to lose a candidate by simply insisting on an in-person step, whether it be an in-person interview or a week of in-person work.
- sarchertech 1y ago
  It’s not a bear market for the best candidates. I know plenty of people who have found new jobs in the last 6 months. Many of them would have said no to in-person interviews.
  - mcherm 1y ago
    Candidates who are already well-known in their fields are generally not plausible candidates for this scam.
- bravesoul2 1y ago
  Yes I acknowledge that. Right now you can toss candidates because they didn't join your Discord 1am on a Sunday and still find hires. But it does reduce your pool anyway and access to cheaper and /or better people.
deathanatos 1y ago
> Also there is a good reason not to make week 1 in person. You reduce your access to talent. … I don't think candidates are going to turn down a company in droves for an initial 1 week onsite. You make it sound like you're losing access to all remotes.
- bravesoul2 1y ago
  Lets forget global and look at US. 100 people. Working full time. Cannot take leave at last minute (or may not have it to take). Average distance to your office 1000 miles. How many will come to your on-site.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Just bite the bullet and pay to fly them out for a week and pay for a shitty La Quinta with a view of the suburban office park. I mean, airlines do it for pilots. How much of a hit to compensation would that be for software developers? Less than 5% for the first year?
    - bravesoul2 1y ago
      The cost isn't an issue. If I'm a well paid pro looking at 10 interview pipelines. I ain't taking say 3 weeks off work to do my top 3 interviews. It's insane. Pay my flights and 20k might consider it. It might work for grads or people out of work if it is well paid e.g. at least pro rata od the target salary. But that's a subset so if the employer chooses this they narrow their pool.
  - deathanatos 1y ago
    > 100 people. Working full time. Cannot take leave at last minute (or may not have it to take). You're misinterpreting the thread. The context here is that the candidate is post-hire (…candidate is perhaps a poor word, but in the context of TFA, it makes more sense), so they're employed by the same company they're visiting. I.e., the suggestion here is that Person A's employer E flies A out to E's headquarters to work for ~1 week. Then you meet them in person, and can visually see they're not some fraudster in NK. I.e., you start in-person, and transition to remote after 1wk.

ryandrake 1y ago

Workers are currently in a bear market. No company has problems “accessing” talent, at least today. They aren’t going to lose a candidate by simply insisting on an in-person step, whether it be an in-person interview or a week of in-person work.

sarchertech 1y ago
It’s not a bear market for the best candidates. I know plenty of people who have found new jobs in the last 6 months. Many of them would have said no to in-person interviews.
- mcherm 1y ago
  Candidates who are already well-known in their fields are generally not plausible candidates for this scam.
bravesoul2 1y ago
Yes I acknowledge that. Right now you can toss candidates because they didn't join your Discord 1am on a Sunday and still find hires. But it does reduce your pool anyway and access to cheaper and /or better people.

deathanatos 1y ago

> Also there is a good reason not to make week 1 in person. You reduce your access to talent. … I don't think candidates are going to turn down a company in droves for an initial 1 week onsite. You make it sound like you're losing access to all remotes.

bravesoul2 1y ago
Lets forget global and look at US. 100 people. Working full time. Cannot take leave at last minute (or may not have it to take). Average distance to your office 1000 miles. How many will come to your on-site.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Just bite the bullet and pay to fly them out for a week and pay for a shitty La Quinta with a view of the suburban office park. I mean, airlines do it for pilots. How much of a hit to compensation would that be for software developers? Less than 5% for the first year?
  - bravesoul2 1y ago
    The cost isn't an issue. If I'm a well paid pro looking at 10 interview pipelines. I ain't taking say 3 weeks off work to do my top 3 interviews. It's insane. Pay my flights and 20k might consider it. It might work for grads or people out of work if it is well paid e.g. at least pro rata od the target salary. But that's a subset so if the employer chooses this they narrow their pool.
- deathanatos 1y ago
  > 100 people. Working full time. Cannot take leave at last minute (or may not have it to take). You're misinterpreting the thread. The context here is that the candidate is post-hire (…candidate is perhaps a poor word, but in the context of TFA, it makes more sense), so they're employed by the same company they're visiting. I.e., the suggestion here is that Person A's employer E flies A out to E's headquarters to work for ~1 week. Then you meet them in person, and can visually see they're not some fraudster in NK. I.e., you start in-person, and transition to remote after 1wk.