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> we live in a society where we can't really voice, our opinions or grievances towards specific groups or cultures or issues as it is deemed politically incorre

> we live in a society where we can't really voice, our opinions or grievances towards specific groups or cultures or issues as it is deemed politically incorrect I'm not sure what that means when I see people say that. Is it "People don't like it when I'm a dick so I have to hide when I do it?" Because if it's not that, just say what you think. I'd like to think I do, in public with co-workers, etc. They judge me then by that and I kind of deserve their judgement (which ever way it goes).

mousethatroared 1y ago
Or, it's criminal everywhere in the West except the USA. And not just dick opinions, pointing out the German politicians are not too bright has been criminalized now.
- delusional 1y ago
  >German politicians are not too bright has been criminalized now. Haven't insults like that been illegal in Germany since the 1800s? This hardly seems new. It's just how the Germans like to run their laws.
  - mousethatroared 1y ago
    Most European countries criminalize insults, and there might be some merit to this among private individuals. But the EU, and Germany in particular, has upped the ante criminalizing obvious satire against politicians in a manner obviously meant to shield a very unpopular political class.
    - delusional 1y ago
      Ok? That just seems like a democratic law. I'd have to see an actual case of misuse to feel any alarm. What's the point of insulting/degrading politicians anyway?
      - giingyui 1y ago
        Is that last sentence in good faith? What is this, the Middle Ages? Is there any reason not to be able to insult a politician if I feel like it?
        delusional 1y ago
        > Is there any reason not to be able to insult a politician if I feel like it? Because the democratic and legitimate law has determined that you cant. You don't get to argue about the law of another culture from first principles. The laws of Germany are at the discretion of the Germans. That's what it means to be sovereign.
        giingyui 1y ago
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        BobaFloutist 1y ago
        >You don't get to argue about the law of another culture from first principles. Oh you absolutely do. You might not have the authority to change them, but anyone is welcome to criticize the intent or impact of any law in any country at any time. Besides, Americans have decided that it's legal for Americans to argue about German laws, so you actually don't get to criticize it when they do.
      - mousethatroared 1y ago
        No, not OK. Even if we admit the criminalization of insults among private individuals, what makes it pernicious to criminalize insulting politicians is that they are powerful. Politicians, as a class, effectively control mass media, state violence, and the purse. One of the only effective curbs on their power is ridicule. In America this is called punching up. Pray tell me, would you be OK if a EU police arrested a comedian for mocking [1] Putin or Trump? If not, your position is strictly partisan therefore not universal, and therefore self serving. Anyway, we found the EUist. [1] I said mocking, not encouraging violence
- jamiek88 1y ago
  This extraordinary claim requires a source.
  - 1ark 1y ago
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-...
  - mousethatroared 1y ago
    Google it.
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  I confess I assumed the person I was replying to was in the U.S. (I also am in the U.S.).
  - mousethatroared 1y ago
    The US, while the best option for freedom, is no peach. Just look what happens if you, very politely, criticize certain allies.
- b-mmxx 1y ago
  Source, please. Where there any changes to Article 5 (Grundgesetz)?
  - mousethatroared 1y ago
    Most EU (all?) constitutions are a joke written with plenty of cop outs. But, go ahead, call one of your ministers an idiot or a pimmel under your real name. And don't give me the BS "the charges were dropped": being criminally charged is scary, stressful and expensive.
throw10920 1y ago
There's constant examples of the trend that GP pointed out happening all the time. I'm pretty surprised that someone with so much internet activity hasn't noticed. For instance, just a few days ago, a very popular TikTokker doxxed a father and asked his followers to report that father to CPS to try to get his kids taken away for expressing an opinion that they didn't like. That opinion? That children can't consent. The TikTokker isn't in jail, and he didn't lose his platform or otherwise suffer any consequences, because even though he did an extremely evil thing, his opinion was aligned with the "politically correct", and the father's opinion was "politically incorrect". There are many, many instances of this happening - I've both seen them online, and witnessed it personally. If you haven't seen it yourself, you're probably in a social bubble.
- NoPicklez 1y ago
  I guess the difference is under law what you are and aren't allowed to do online. Here in Australia since 2024 it is illegal to dox someone online and it is considered a criminal offence. So that father would have the ability to press charges against that Tiktoker. Might be challenging if one of them is outside of said country law.
- JKCalhoun 1y ago
  I must be in a social bubble then. (Def don't Tik Tok.) I dox myself by using my real name, talk about where I live, my age, etc. — all the time. I like to think that also keeps me honest — keeps me from not posting something I wouldn't say to someone's face.
- const_cast 1y ago
  "Children can't consent" isn't a politically incorrect opinion. It's very much politically correct. This feels like a lede was buried, and quiet deep!
  - inemesitaffia 1y ago
    It's probably what they are consenting to that triggered the doxxing
- 1y ago

mousethatroared 1y ago

Or, it's criminal everywhere in the West except the USA. And not just dick opinions, pointing out the German politicians are not too bright has been criminalized now.

delusional 1y ago
>German politicians are not too bright has been criminalized now. Haven't insults like that been illegal in Germany since the 1800s? This hardly seems new. It's just how the Germans like to run their laws.
- mousethatroared 1y ago
  Most European countries criminalize insults, and there might be some merit to this among private individuals. But the EU, and Germany in particular, has upped the ante criminalizing obvious satire against politicians in a manner obviously meant to shield a very unpopular political class.
  - delusional 1y ago
    Ok? That just seems like a democratic law. I'd have to see an actual case of misuse to feel any alarm. What's the point of insulting/degrading politicians anyway?
    - giingyui 1y ago
      Is that last sentence in good faith? What is this, the Middle Ages? Is there any reason not to be able to insult a politician if I feel like it?
      - delusional 1y ago
        > Is there any reason not to be able to insult a politician if I feel like it? Because the democratic and legitimate law has determined that you cant. You don't get to argue about the law of another culture from first principles. The laws of Germany are at the discretion of the Germans. That's what it means to be sovereign.
        giingyui 1y ago
        [dead]
        BobaFloutist 1y ago
        >You don't get to argue about the law of another culture from first principles. Oh you absolutely do. You might not have the authority to change them, but anyone is welcome to criticize the intent or impact of any law in any country at any time. Besides, Americans have decided that it's legal for Americans to argue about German laws, so you actually don't get to criticize it when they do.
    - mousethatroared 1y ago
      No, not OK. Even if we admit the criminalization of insults among private individuals, what makes it pernicious to criminalize insulting politicians is that they are powerful. Politicians, as a class, effectively control mass media, state violence, and the purse. One of the only effective curbs on their power is ridicule. In America this is called punching up. Pray tell me, would you be OK if a EU police arrested a comedian for mocking [1] Putin or Trump? If not, your position is strictly partisan therefore not universal, and therefore self serving. Anyway, we found the EUist. [1] I said mocking, not encouraging violence
jamiek88 1y ago
This extraordinary claim requires a source.
- 1ark 1y ago
  https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-...
- mousethatroared 1y ago
  Google it.
JKCalhoun 1y ago
I confess I assumed the person I was replying to was in the U.S. (I also am in the U.S.).
- mousethatroared 1y ago
  The US, while the best option for freedom, is no peach. Just look what happens if you, very politely, criticize certain allies.
b-mmxx 1y ago
Source, please. Where there any changes to Article 5 (Grundgesetz)?
- mousethatroared 1y ago
  Most EU (all?) constitutions are a joke written with plenty of cop outs. But, go ahead, call one of your ministers an idiot or a pimmel under your real name. And don't give me the BS "the charges were dropped": being criminally charged is scary, stressful and expensive.

throw10920 1y ago

There's constant examples of the trend that GP pointed out happening all the time. I'm pretty surprised that someone with so much internet activity hasn't noticed. For instance, just a few days ago, a very popular TikTokker doxxed a father and asked his followers to report that father to CPS to try to get his kids taken away for expressing an opinion that they didn't like. That opinion? That children can't consent. The TikTokker isn't in jail, and he didn't lose his platform or otherwise suffer any consequences, because even though he did an extremely evil thing, his opinion was aligned with the "politically correct", and the father's opinion was "politically incorrect". There are many, many instances of this happening - I've both seen them online, and witnessed it personally. If you haven't seen it yourself, you're probably in a social bubble.

NoPicklez 1y ago
I guess the difference is under law what you are and aren't allowed to do online. Here in Australia since 2024 it is illegal to dox someone online and it is considered a criminal offence. So that father would have the ability to press charges against that Tiktoker. Might be challenging if one of them is outside of said country law.
JKCalhoun 1y ago
I must be in a social bubble then. (Def don't Tik Tok.) I dox myself by using my real name, talk about where I live, my age, etc. — all the time. I like to think that also keeps me honest — keeps me from not posting something I wouldn't say to someone's face.
const_cast 1y ago
"Children can't consent" isn't a politically incorrect opinion. It's very much politically correct. This feels like a lede was buried, and quiet deep!
- inemesitaffia 1y ago
  It's probably what they are consenting to that triggered the doxxing
1y ago