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So we went from just shy of 25000/mo under Biden to 35000/mo under Trump and supposedly this is just unbelievably over-the-top?

uoaei 1y ago
The concern has never, ever been about amount. It's always been about the methods that employ violence and a disruption of the social order.
Trasmatta 1y ago
In case you missed it, congress just gave ICE an unprecedented $175 billion. They want this to escalate much, much further.
supermaxman 1y ago
This increase in the last 6 months is concerning, to me. Especially when we realize the vast majority, and even more so now, are non-criminal “No Threat Level”, as designated by ICE themselves. Check out the map at the bottom to see how many people with zero criminal history are being held daily in each state. It should be concerning, and I think these numbers need to be shouted from the rooftops that things are going in a bad direction here
- charcircuit 1y ago
  Deporting no threat people is important as to start encouraging them to actually self deport. Without it there would be no rush and they could rely on being at the bottom of the list and stay in the US longer.
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  - Nasrudith 1y ago
    The whole effort economically is about as important and urgent as paying somebody to key your own car or punch you in the face.
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      If your choices are between being punched in the face or punched in the face and given $1000 it seems natural to pick the latter.
convolvatron 1y ago
I think quite a bit of the concern is the lack of due process, the jailing of people for an an indefinite period in a random country, the detention of legal permanent residents and US citizens, the willful disregard of court orders, the use of immigration as a cudgel to attack universities, defining protected speech as 'illegal' and grounds for detention, deportation, or imprisonment. these things and others make one not like the other at all put another way, was it really worth trashing the constitution and due process to get a 29% increase in deportation rates?
- elcritch 1y ago
  Well the law to allow deportations without due process was passed by congress under Clinton as I understand it. The main difference with Trump up to now has sensationalization of it and pushing the legal boundaries of those immigration laws. Trump pushing the legal bounds on due process is not too different than when Obama pushed the legality of murdering of an American citizen without due process. Except Trump sensationalizes it while Obama layered it with a vaneer of intellectualism.
CamperBob2 1y ago
Under Trump, the agency in question now has an annual budget on the scale of the Apollo program or the Manhattan Project. So: what do you think is about to happen?
valleyer 1y ago
IMO, you should consider only the ICE numbers, not the CBP numbers. The CBP numbers are people being turned away at the border, which is a different category of action than arresting people already living in the US (sometimes for many years). If you look just at the ICE numbers, the difference is much more stark: a 3.5x increase. I do think the Web site here could do a better job of clarifying this.

uoaei 1y ago

The concern has never, ever been about amount. It's always been about the methods that employ violence and a disruption of the social order.

Trasmatta 1y ago

In case you missed it, congress just gave ICE an unprecedented $175 billion. They want this to escalate much, much further.

supermaxman 1y ago

This increase in the last 6 months is concerning, to me. Especially when we realize the vast majority, and even more so now, are non-criminal “No Threat Level”, as designated by ICE themselves. Check out the map at the bottom to see how many people with zero criminal history are being held daily in each state. It should be concerning, and I think these numbers need to be shouted from the rooftops that things are going in a bad direction here

charcircuit 1y ago
Deporting no threat people is important as to start encouraging them to actually self deport. Without it there would be no rush and they could rely on being at the bottom of the list and stay in the US longer.
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- Nasrudith 1y ago
  The whole effort economically is about as important and urgent as paying somebody to key your own car or punch you in the face.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    If your choices are between being punched in the face or punched in the face and given $1000 it seems natural to pick the latter.

convolvatron 1y ago

I think quite a bit of the concern is the lack of due process, the jailing of people for an an indefinite period in a random country, the detention of legal permanent residents and US citizens, the willful disregard of court orders, the use of immigration as a cudgel to attack universities, defining protected speech as 'illegal' and grounds for detention, deportation, or imprisonment. these things and others make one not like the other at all put another way, was it really worth trashing the constitution and due process to get a 29% increase in deportation rates?

elcritch 1y ago
Well the law to allow deportations without due process was passed by congress under Clinton as I understand it. The main difference with Trump up to now has sensationalization of it and pushing the legal boundaries of those immigration laws. Trump pushing the legal bounds on due process is not too different than when Obama pushed the legality of murdering of an American citizen without due process. Except Trump sensationalizes it while Obama layered it with a vaneer of intellectualism.

CamperBob2 1y ago

Under Trump, the agency in question now has an annual budget on the scale of the Apollo program or the Manhattan Project. So: what do you think is about to happen?

valleyer 1y ago

IMO, you should consider only the ICE numbers, not the CBP numbers. The CBP numbers are people being turned away at the border, which is a different category of action than arresting people already living in the US (sometimes for many years). If you look just at the ICE numbers, the difference is much more stark: a 3.5x increase. I do think the Web site here could do a better job of clarifying this.