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> Who cares? Me, who enjoys higher salaries, more jobs, better benefits, better healthcare, better schools, more diversity, and higher purchasing power. Also

> Who cares? Me, who enjoys higher salaries, more jobs, better benefits, better healthcare, better schools, more diversity, and higher purchasing power. Also it's more fun to work for US tech companies than Nokia :).

queenkjuul 1y ago
You don't have better healthcare, and most Americans don't have any of those things
- bethekidyouwant 1y ago
  Are you claiming that if you have the money, America doesn’t have better healthcare?
  - saubeidl 1y ago
    As somebody who has money and lived in the US, absolutely. The system is a joke. It takes forever to get MRI appointments. Everything has so much bureaucracy. You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. And it's visible in outcomes, too. Life expectancy in the EU is around 5 years higher than in the US.
    - ecb_penguin 1y ago
      I think you've seriously confused the US and Europe. > You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. No I don't? I log into my hospital health system, click a button to schedule a specialist, pick a time, and then submit. "In 2023, the average waiting time was lowest in the U.S. and Switzerland (28 days), while it was highest in Spain (77 days) and France (63 days)." - https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-for-a-doctors-appointment/ https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-f... > Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. That's how it works here too, lol. Are you comparing 1980s US vs 2020s Europe??? You know we have computers here in the US now...
      - saubeidl 1y ago
        Every single time I've went to a practice in the US, the first thing I had to do was fill out stacks of forms. I've never had to deal that here in the EU. Has that really changed in the past five years?
        ryandrake 1y ago
        I’m in the US and it’s the same for me. Every single doctor I visit, it’s the same stack of papers with the same personal information and health history.
        ecb_penguin 1y ago
        The vast majority of health systems use EHR systems. I mean, you can go to small clinics that don't share data with anyone, but that's on you.
        ecb_penguin 1y ago
        Yes. Every doctor in my hospital group has access to my records. I don't fill out anything when I go.
        queenkjuul 1y ago
        It hasn't
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Correct. As a well off person paying out the ass for "great insurance," the system is absolutely drastically worse than other developed countries. A complete joke.
    - ecb_penguin 1y ago
      I don't pay out the ass... My premiums are covered by my employer, and I have no co-pays. It literally does not cost me anything to see my doctor. > the system is absolutely drastically worse than other developed countries I can see my GP same day, and a specialist within a week, for $0. It really can't get any better for me...
      - ryandrake 1y ago
        So it’s not about whether you “have the money” but whether you happen to have one of those rare employers offering platinum plated health plans. I suppose in that narrow case, US health care may be good.
        ecb_penguin 1y ago
        > So it’s not about whether you “have the money” but whether you happen to have one of those rare employers offering platinum plated health plans That means having the money... Wait until you hear about things like the Mayo Clinic Executive Health Program: https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/mayo-clinic-executive-health-program/sections/overview/ovc-20253196 https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/mayo-clinic-e... You can spend three days in a luxury suite at the #1 ranked hospital in the world, while their top docs screen you for everything. You literally have full access to whatever the Mayo Clinic offers. > I suppose in that narrow case, US health care may be good. Yes, that narrow case of millions of tech workers like myself.
        queenkjuul 1y ago
        It's still pretty bad. This person clearly doesn't have chronic pre-existing conditions, or ever needed surgery.
      - 1y ago
  - IAmBroom 1y ago
    There are multiple studies showing exactly that.

queenkjuul 1y ago

You don't have better healthcare, and most Americans don't have any of those things

bethekidyouwant 1y ago
Are you claiming that if you have the money, America doesn’t have better healthcare?
- saubeidl 1y ago
  As somebody who has money and lived in the US, absolutely. The system is a joke. It takes forever to get MRI appointments. Everything has so much bureaucracy. You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. And it's visible in outcomes, too. Life expectancy in the EU is around 5 years higher than in the US.
  - ecb_penguin 1y ago
    I think you've seriously confused the US and Europe. > You fill out forms and make calls and get letters and all this bullshit. No I don't? I log into my hospital health system, click a button to schedule a specialist, pick a time, and then submit. "In 2023, the average waiting time was lowest in the U.S. and Switzerland (28 days), while it was highest in Spain (77 days) and France (63 days)." - https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-for-a-doctors-appointment/ https://www.statista.com/chart/33079/average-waiting-times-f... > Meanwhile, I can just book stuff online instantly now that I live in europe. That's how it works here too, lol. Are you comparing 1980s US vs 2020s Europe??? You know we have computers here in the US now...
    - saubeidl 1y ago
      Every single time I've went to a practice in the US, the first thing I had to do was fill out stacks of forms. I've never had to deal that here in the EU. Has that really changed in the past five years?
      - ryandrake 1y ago
        I’m in the US and it’s the same for me. Every single doctor I visit, it’s the same stack of papers with the same personal information and health history.
        ecb_penguin 1y ago
        The vast majority of health systems use EHR systems. I mean, you can go to small clinics that don't share data with anyone, but that's on you.
      - ecb_penguin 1y ago
        Yes. Every doctor in my hospital group has access to my records. I don't fill out anything when I go.
      - queenkjuul 1y ago
        It hasn't
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Correct. As a well off person paying out the ass for "great insurance," the system is absolutely drastically worse than other developed countries. A complete joke.
  - ecb_penguin 1y ago
    I don't pay out the ass... My premiums are covered by my employer, and I have no co-pays. It literally does not cost me anything to see my doctor. > the system is absolutely drastically worse than other developed countries I can see my GP same day, and a specialist within a week, for $0. It really can't get any better for me...
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      So it’s not about whether you “have the money” but whether you happen to have one of those rare employers offering platinum plated health plans. I suppose in that narrow case, US health care may be good.
      - ecb_penguin 1y ago
        > So it’s not about whether you “have the money” but whether you happen to have one of those rare employers offering platinum plated health plans That means having the money... Wait until you hear about things like the Mayo Clinic Executive Health Program: https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/mayo-clinic-executive-health-program/sections/overview/ovc-20253196 https://www.mayoclinic.org/departments-centers/mayo-clinic-e... You can spend three days in a luxury suite at the #1 ranked hospital in the world, while their top docs screen you for everything. You literally have full access to whatever the Mayo Clinic offers. > I suppose in that narrow case, US health care may be good. Yes, that narrow case of millions of tech workers like myself.
      - queenkjuul 1y ago
        It's still pretty bad. This person clearly doesn't have chronic pre-existing conditions, or ever needed surgery.
    - 1y ago
- IAmBroom 1y ago
  There are multiple studies showing exactly that.