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As part of making visas easier for educated people, make them less restrictive. I have looked into moving to various European countries with my programming skil
by john01dav 1y ago
As part of making visas easier for educated people, make them less restrictive. I have looked into moving to various European countries with my programming skills, but unless I'm already at the top of my field I'm tied to a job for years and prohibited from starting my own business. To me, this isn't worth it. Also, I don't see a strong reason for that restriction -- startups are exactly what they need.
- michaelscott 1y agoI've been in exactly this position and it's honestly insane, assuming Europe is actually interested in promoting startup growth. It's simply not set up from a legislative position to be able to compete with the US or China
- alexey-salmin 1y agoFrench Passeport Talent is quite good. Most types aren't tied to the employer and last 4 years. There's the "Création d’entreprise" option that allows creation of a company but it requires you to invest 30k euros into it.
- IAmBroom 1y ago> it requires you to invest 30k euros into it. That to me is like saying, it requires you to work 40 hours a week at your company. Is that really any kind of hurdle? Most of the entrepeneurs I've known have mortgaged their houses a/o retirement savings.
- alexey-salmin 1y agoI'm not sure if there are any limitations on how exactly you can spend that money. But yes, I also assume this simply means you're capable of paying yourself a salary for a few months which is completely reasonable.
- alibarber 1y agoWith all due respect, there's not a huge shortage of programmers in Europe. What is needed is capital, world leading expertise (yes, top of the field - the people who can command the famous $100M sign on bonuses we hear about), and more risk appetite. If you were, say, an investor ready to fund and grow companies with ready captial, I think your options would be more open.
- michaelscott 1y agoThere is plenty of capital (eye watering amounts in most family offices in fact) and world leading expertise in many fields across Europe. The only factor here is more risk appetite and a culture for that risk in an effort to push industry forward. Europe is incredibly risk averse and is more interested in capital preservation than growth
- aleph_minus_one 1y ago> Europe is incredibly risk averse and is more interested in capital preservation than growth There exist quite a lot of people in European countries who are risk-affine, but these are not necessarily good at handling the insane amount of red tape. Believe me: in Germany, there exist quite a lot of people who would (assuming they could, and this criminal act will never be solved) immediately love to kill the politicians who made these red tape laws, and the bureacrats that enforce them.
- michaelscott 1y agoI can believe this. I've spoken to many European entrepreneurial types that are really struggling with the red tape handcuffs in their countries, and those are people who actually have EU citizenship and for whom the red tape is as lightweight as possible. Being a non-EU in EU is a whole other ball game. It's sad, because Europe really has a lot going for it. It also doesn't HAVE to go the US/China route of course, but if it does it will need to make some very serious changes that go beyond just preaching about doing it from the political pulpit
- alexey-salmin 1y ago
- Klonoar 1y agoI mean the Netherlands basically voids all your issues here via the DAFT treaty. It’s also a well known visa avenue so I feel like you may not have looked hard enough. You’re tied to the Netherlands specifically for a few years, but that’s about the only knock I can see.