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Related: Is there some place that collects the predictions, ideas, concepts from Scifi stories, without all the plot and character stuff? Every time I try to r

Related: Is there some place that collects the predictions, ideas, concepts from Scifi stories, without all the plot and character stuff? Every time I try to read Scifi because I heard about some interesting parts, I have the feeling there's a 1 page thesis about the future and technology trying to escape, but buried under some mildly interesting generic storyline and tons of made up terminology and worldbuilding.

Etheryte 1y ago
This is akin to asking someone explain Tolkien's works, but without all the world-building. The set and setting matter, they're a part of the message, if not even the main message.
- elcapitan 1y ago
  That's why I don't read Fantasy in the first place, but Scifi often has technological concepts and ideas that are interesting by itself. I don't give a damn about mountains, whether people have green or pink skin or the stupid songs they enjoy to sing though.
  - sethammons 1y ago
    > The difference between science fiction and fantasy…is simply this, science fiction has rivets, fantasy has trees. -- Orson Scott Card There is hard and soft types that muddy the quote, but it largely stands.
    - KineticLensman 1y ago
      Another definition that almost works is the distinction between Not-Yet-Possible and Never-Possible - although this may fail when things like Faster-Than-Light drives are considered.
AndrewDucker 1y ago
These ideas are not supposed to be predictions about the future. They're cool changes to introduce to the fictional world to make the stories more fun. (Almost) nobody thinks that they are the actual future
cubefox 1y ago
> Related: Is there some place that collects the predictions, ideas, concepts from Scifi stories For concepts yes: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/ctnlistalpha.asp http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/ctnlistalpha.asp
- elcapitan 1y ago
  This is really great, thanks! Looks like it's also possible to group them by book, e.g. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorSpecAlphaList.asp?BkNum=11 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorSpecAlphaList.asp?BkNum=...
surfingdino 1y ago
The US government used to consult sci-fi authors, especially when they were writing stories somewhat based on extrapolations of current advancements of technology or science. I'm not sure any of the notes from those meetings are available online, but I'd love to read them and compare.
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NitpickLawyer 1y ago
Ender's Game (1985) has a ton of spot on predictions of the future, if you haven't read that you might enjoy it (and the story and later universe are fascinating as well, with twists and turns, and the "two threads" storylines, where you can read the same events from two different characters in the plurilogies of books) Some predictions in the first book: - touch-screens in general and tablets in particular - use of AI to adapt difficulty levels in games - use of AI and virtual simulations for military training - the Internet, and more specifically: - the wide usage of forums, blogs, etc. (lots of references that kinda seem like social media, with propaganda spread, message control, etc.) - the usage of sock-puppet accounts to influence elections and general political discourse (and the creation of "influencers" out of ... thin air) Later in the series we also get: - Cryptocurrencies - AIs in control of financial systems

Etheryte 1y ago

This is akin to asking someone explain Tolkien's works, but without all the world-building. The set and setting matter, they're a part of the message, if not even the main message.

elcapitan 1y ago
That's why I don't read Fantasy in the first place, but Scifi often has technological concepts and ideas that are interesting by itself. I don't give a damn about mountains, whether people have green or pink skin or the stupid songs they enjoy to sing though.
- sethammons 1y ago
  > The difference between science fiction and fantasy…is simply this, science fiction has rivets, fantasy has trees. -- Orson Scott Card There is hard and soft types that muddy the quote, but it largely stands.
  - KineticLensman 1y ago
    Another definition that almost works is the distinction between Not-Yet-Possible and Never-Possible - although this may fail when things like Faster-Than-Light drives are considered.

AndrewDucker 1y ago

These ideas are not supposed to be predictions about the future. They're cool changes to introduce to the fictional world to make the stories more fun. (Almost) nobody thinks that they are the actual future

cubefox 1y ago

> Related: Is there some place that collects the predictions, ideas, concepts from Scifi stories For concepts yes: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/ctnlistalpha.asp http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/ctnlistalpha.asp

elcapitan 1y ago
This is really great, thanks! Looks like it's also possible to group them by book, e.g. http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorSpecAlphaList.asp?BkNum=11 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/AuthorSpecAlphaList.asp?BkNum=...

surfingdino 1y ago

The US government used to consult sci-fi authors, especially when they were writing stories somewhat based on extrapolations of current advancements of technology or science. I'm not sure any of the notes from those meetings are available online, but I'd love to read them and compare.

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NitpickLawyer 1y ago

Ender's Game (1985) has a ton of spot on predictions of the future, if you haven't read that you might enjoy it (and the story and later universe are fascinating as well, with twists and turns, and the "two threads" storylines, where you can read the same events from two different characters in the plurilogies of books) Some predictions in the first book: - touch-screens in general and tablets in particular - use of AI to adapt difficulty levels in games - use of AI and virtual simulations for military training - the Internet, and more specifically: - the wide usage of forums, blogs, etc. (lots of references that kinda seem like social media, with propaganda spread, message control, etc.) - the usage of sock-puppet accounts to influence elections and general political discourse (and the creation of "influencers" out of ... thin air) Later in the series we also get: - Cryptocurrencies - AIs in control of financial systems