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Consumers never really pick products for ideological reasons, no matter how galling that is to ideologues

pjmlp 1y ago
Except, many developers contributed to the actual situation. The same excuse was given regarding IE.
rightbyte 1y ago
You should block adds for practical reasons too though, not just for moral reasons. I can't fathom how there are so many devs that don't use adblockers. It is so strange and when I look over their shoulders I get a shocking reminder how the web looks for them.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
I think ads go well past "ideaology". very few like ads, and they have only gotten more persistent over recent years.
- GoblinSlayer 1y ago
  And they slow down already dog slow web2.0 shit.
imhoguy 1y ago
But consumers pick products for convenience reasons and Chrome updates crossed PITA line. Even my "boomers" family switches to FF.
- necovek 1y ago
  If that was really the case, it would start showing up in the stats too. Firefox is still declining last I checked (I am still using it, but more and more sites have problems in FF.
pyrale 1y ago
Oh no, instead consumers pick products because of advertising. What an improvement.
- onion2k 1y ago
  Consumers pick _largely_ based on cost and features, with a things like brand, ethics, and environment coming second. However, consumers can only pick an option from choices they've heard of. Advertising is about getting into the list (and influencing choice a bit by demonstrating the brand image); the product itself still has to a good choice for the customer to make a purchase.
  - account42 1y ago
    > with a things like brand, ethics, and environment coming second I don't think that's true at all - usually brand comes first and ethics are not even considered. > the product itself still has to a good choice for the customer to make a purchase Not at all, the consumer only needs to be made to believe that it's a good choice which is very far from being the same thing.
- brookst 1y ago
  Being prescriptive about human nature will always be frustrating. You and I can argue about what consumers “should” do but the reality is they will always pick the highest perceived benefit at the lowest perceived cost, even if deeper technical knowledge or improved ideological perspective would change those choices.
  - pyrale 1y ago
    I don't really mind about what people should do. Cats should probably not kill birds when they aren't hungry. But my opinion has no bearing on cats. My lament is more about the current situation and our apparent inability to escape it. In this case, I may also be annoyed a bit about your rant on ideologues. Just because people don't make decisions based on their ideology doesn't mean they don't make decisions based on ideology.
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immibis 1y ago
FYI, this is not downvoted because you're wrong. It's downvoted because you called everyone with a different opinion to you an ideologue.

Except, many developers contributed to the actual situation. The same excuse was given regarding IE.

You should block adds for practical reasons too though, not just for moral reasons. I can't fathom how there are so many devs that don't use adblockers. It is so strange and when I look over their shoulders I get a shocking reminder how the web looks for them.

johnnyanmac 1y ago

I think ads go well past "ideaology". very few like ads, and they have only gotten more persistent over recent years.

GoblinSlayer 1y ago
And they slow down already dog slow web2.0 shit.

imhoguy 1y ago

But consumers pick products for convenience reasons and Chrome updates crossed PITA line. Even my "boomers" family switches to FF.

necovek 1y ago
If that was really the case, it would start showing up in the stats too. Firefox is still declining last I checked (I am still using it, but more and more sites have problems in FF.

pyrale 1y ago

Oh no, instead consumers pick products because of advertising. What an improvement.

onion2k 1y ago
Consumers pick _largely_ based on cost and features, with a things like brand, ethics, and environment coming second. However, consumers can only pick an option from choices they've heard of. Advertising is about getting into the list (and influencing choice a bit by demonstrating the brand image); the product itself still has to a good choice for the customer to make a purchase.
- account42 1y ago
  > with a things like brand, ethics, and environment coming second I don't think that's true at all - usually brand comes first and ethics are not even considered. > the product itself still has to a good choice for the customer to make a purchase Not at all, the consumer only needs to be made to believe that it's a good choice which is very far from being the same thing.
brookst 1y ago
Being prescriptive about human nature will always be frustrating. You and I can argue about what consumers “should” do but the reality is they will always pick the highest perceived benefit at the lowest perceived cost, even if deeper technical knowledge or improved ideological perspective would change those choices.
- pyrale 1y ago
  I don't really mind about what people should do. Cats should probably not kill birds when they aren't hungry. But my opinion has no bearing on cats. My lament is more about the current situation and our apparent inability to escape it. In this case, I may also be annoyed a bit about your rant on ideologues. Just because people don't make decisions based on their ideology doesn't mean they don't make decisions based on ideology.
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immibis 1y ago

FYI, this is not downvoted because you're wrong. It's downvoted because you called everyone with a different opinion to you an ideologue.