> Strange comment. Not realy. It is pretty common to compare the average ability when we are comparing between species. For example when we say cheetahs can ru

> Strange comment. Not realy. It is pretty common to compare the average ability when we are comparing between species. For example when we say cheetahs can run at X m/s we don’t talk about the speed of the fastest cheetah who won the cheetah olympics. They just measured a few and we use that as a basis. > I very much doubt that any non-human ape will ever get close to Adam Ondra's ascent of "Silence" (9c). I don’t know what you base this on. Is this just a hunch? Are we talking here about the chances of a monkey randomly catching a fancy for that cliff? Because i agree that is unlikely to happen. But with a sufficintly trained and motivated one I wouldn’t be so sure.