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They didn't explain the etymology. En panne means broken, not functioning. Dépanner means to remove something from that state, to fix it. A dépanneur is therefo

They didn't explain the etymology. En panne means broken, not functioning. Dépanner means to remove something from that state, to fix it. A dépanneur is therefore a person or thing that fixes stuff, gets you out of trouble.

gerdesj 1y ago
An online translation tool managed: "out of order" for "en panne". Your translation is far better because it gives the actual, raw and intended (by a local), meaning and not re-translated that meaning into a trite phrase on the destination side. "Out of order" is something you see on a broken machine and not something to do with a shop! One day, the AI kiddies will manage to work out how to stuff "Idia" into their wanky offerings. Until then, I'd rather read comments like yours. Merci.
esafak 1y ago
As in, they redress your state of lacking whatever you went to buy there? It sounds a bit contorted but okay :)
- stevage 1y ago
  Maybe it arose from originally being kind of fix it stores that would repair stuff, I don't know.
- kl4m 1y ago
  Yes, it "dépannes" nearby, instead of making a trip to the grocery store.
- make3 1y ago
  It is from the word "dépanner", not from the word "panne" directly. "Dépanner" evolved from "panne" to mean just in general, helping someone out temporarily. A tool that would dépanne you would be a tool that would do the job poorly but well enough for now. This is how the name is meant to be understood, a small store where you can buy like eggs, beer, milk, bread (it's a convenience store), maybe batteries, but not a full grocery store or pharmacy or tool place.
heresie-dabord 1y ago
Dépanneur == Convenience store Dépanneuse == Tow truck Il m'a dépanné en me prêtant vingt dollars. == He lent me $20 to help me out. Ah la belle langue!
- stevage 1y ago
  This is all unique to Quebecois, right? I think in France, you'd hear débrouiller more in that third case.
  - mekoka 1y ago
    No. Even in France and beyond (i.e. outside of Quebec) you could hear "dépanne-moi", meaning "help me out (with money)". Dépanneur as convenience store could be a Quebec thing.
    - gbin 1y ago
      Yes, in for "dépanne-moi de 10 balles" but "dépanneur" without context is more someone coming to fix your car or your washing machine.
jauco 1y ago
And penne gets that meaning because en penne used to mean ‘be stuck, not able to move on’ This phrase existed because the penne was a wood affixed to the mast of sailboat that allowed you to move the sail such that the boat slowed down and stopped. That thing was called the penne because it looked like a pen (the writing instrument)

gerdesj 1y ago

An online translation tool managed: "out of order" for "en panne". Your translation is far better because it gives the actual, raw and intended (by a local), meaning and not re-translated that meaning into a trite phrase on the destination side. "Out of order" is something you see on a broken machine and not something to do with a shop! One day, the AI kiddies will manage to work out how to stuff "Idia" into their wanky offerings. Until then, I'd rather read comments like yours. Merci.

esafak 1y ago

As in, they redress your state of lacking whatever you went to buy there? It sounds a bit contorted but okay :)

stevage 1y ago
Maybe it arose from originally being kind of fix it stores that would repair stuff, I don't know.
kl4m 1y ago
Yes, it "dépannes" nearby, instead of making a trip to the grocery store.
make3 1y ago
It is from the word "dépanner", not from the word "panne" directly. "Dépanner" evolved from "panne" to mean just in general, helping someone out temporarily. A tool that would dépanne you would be a tool that would do the job poorly but well enough for now. This is how the name is meant to be understood, a small store where you can buy like eggs, beer, milk, bread (it's a convenience store), maybe batteries, but not a full grocery store or pharmacy or tool place.

heresie-dabord 1y ago

Dépanneur == Convenience store Dépanneuse == Tow truck Il m'a dépanné en me prêtant vingt dollars. == He lent me $20 to help me out. Ah la belle langue!

stevage 1y ago
This is all unique to Quebecois, right? I think in France, you'd hear débrouiller more in that third case.
- mekoka 1y ago
  No. Even in France and beyond (i.e. outside of Quebec) you could hear "dépanne-moi", meaning "help me out (with money)". Dépanneur as convenience store could be a Quebec thing.
  - gbin 1y ago
    Yes, in for "dépanne-moi de 10 balles" but "dépanneur" without context is more someone coming to fix your car or your washing machine.

jauco 1y ago

And penne gets that meaning because en penne used to mean ‘be stuck, not able to move on’ This phrase existed because the penne was a wood affixed to the mast of sailboat that allowed you to move the sail such that the boat slowed down and stopped. That thing was called the penne because it looked like a pen (the writing instrument)